Starter Problems
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I can't find a starter that will do the job. I have an early '70s 460 with about 12:1 comp. and a C-6. A stock starter kills the batt. after 1 or 2 starts. I'm not using an alternator and I have a brand new Optima red top 880cca. I bought a Ford Racing mini-starter and it doesn't fully engage in the flywheel. The gear on the stock starter engages a full 1/4" further than this high-dollar thing. I don't have the part number at hand but I called Summit Racing and they said this was the only starter listed for a 460 w/auto trans. What should I do? Anybody had this problem before?
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I have a 460 with more compression than your are running and have been using a stock starter for the last 5 or 6 years without any trouble. I don't run an alt. either, but use a deep cycle marine battery and good heavy cables. Is your timing advanced to much and after it warms up it won't crank? Do you have a good connection were your ground cable from the battery is bolted to the motor?
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Dennis
1999 F-350 Powerstroke
1977 Highboy 429 4-speed 35"s
1972 Ranger on a 1978 F-250 4x4
frame 466 Pulling Truck
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I put another "stock" starter on yesterday and it worked Ok. I'm only running 17deg. initial advance. Did you use two batteries on yours? I'm trying to get by with just one.
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I'm using one battery. I'm not sure what my initial timing is probably 12-14 degrees total is set at 38 degrees. I use a deep cycle marine battery because I am running an electric fuel pump, fan and waterpump.
Dennis
1999 F-350 Powerstroke
1977 Highboy 429 4-speed 35"s
1972 Ranger on a 1978 F-250 4x4
frame 466 Pulling Truck
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1999 F-350 Powerstroke
1977 Highboy 429 4-speed 35"s
1972 Ranger on a 1978 F-250 4x4
frame 466 Pulling Truck
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I'm in agreement with Dennis. I've never had problems using a stock starter on high-compression 385 engines. Battery cables (especially the primary from the battery to the solenoid) and improper ground from dirty connections are usually the problems.
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Try using a stock starter for a fuel injected 460 I think 88 and up. It is a permenant magnet design and draws about half the power a regular starter does.
It also actually cranked my 10.3:1 motor faster. You will need to run a heaver guage battery calbe directly to the starter from the B+ side and then use a 10 or 12awg wire to run from your cuurent soleniod to the solenoid on the starter.
It also actually cranked my 10.3:1 motor faster. You will need to run a heaver guage battery calbe directly to the starter from the B+ side and then use a 10 or 12awg wire to run from your cuurent soleniod to the solenoid on the starter.
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I think the high torque starter I bought must be for a fuel injected motor or at least a 460 mated to some auto trans other than a c-6. The starter I'm using now gets me about 5-6 starts. I'm going to check my cables this week but everything is new. By the way, here is the part number of the starter in question. Ford Racing, m-11000-a75.
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It now appears that I may have flywheel problems. While testing the truck with the new trans., the converter seal in the trans. went out and it appears that it was damaged by the converter being pushed back into it. I'm going to remove the flywheel today and see if I can find a problem. Is there any way a flywheel can be on wrong? It seems there is only one way it will fit.
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With the starter for the fuel injected motors there is a difference between the manaul trans. and automatic trans. for the starters.
BTW FYI an automatic equiped vehicle uses a flexplate not a flywheel, but many still refer to it as a flywheel.
BTW FYI an automatic equiped vehicle uses a flexplate not a flywheel, but many still refer to it as a flywheel.
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I finally found the problem when the new trans. started pouring fluid from the front seal. Upon removal and repair of the trans., it turns out I had the wrong converter on this thing. I didn't even check it close before because the guy I got the motor from gave me the convertor and told me it was the one he used on it. Turns out the pilot was wrong but I was able to remove a bushing from the convertor pilot and now it fits into the crank like it should. The reason the starter wouldn't work is when you tighetened the bolts, it actually pulled the flywheel away from the motor. Thanks for the replies guys.
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