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Old Nov 19, 2012 | 03:28 PM
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STFT/LTST question

I bought a 99 F250 SD 6.8L about a month ago and it's running much better than when I got it, thanks to all the information I found here. I'm having difficulty passing the state emissions testing, my hydrocarbons are about 3x the limit. Bank 2 has some sort of fault but no code. The Bank 1 STFT is currently -2.39, LTFT is 10.16 while Bank 2 STFT is 0.00, LTFT is 10.16. The bank 2 STFT doesn't change, so my question is what could cause this and could that be causing the high hydrocarbon failure? Any help/recommendations will be greatly appreciated.
 

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Old Nov 21, 2012 | 02:14 PM
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STFT/LTFT developments

OK, the values for the STFT started updating. Idk what was going on there, but they're changing now. I got a P0310, so I made the time to change #10 plug (using dielectric grease and copper antiseize on the new plug) the plug was jacked- the point was broken off and the gap was like .40. The code remained so I swapped the COP with #6 and the code still pops up P0310. Just about all that's left is the injector, right? And the wiring I guess. Is swapping injectors worth the trouble or just get a new one? What do you guys think?
 
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Old Nov 21, 2012 | 03:40 PM
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I have no clue what you are talking about, but I didn't want you to feel ignored.

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Old Nov 21, 2012 | 06:03 PM
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STFT/LTFT question

BigPigDaddy, thanks for saying hi. Hi back! I'm sorry if I'm confusing folks and not making sense, I thought I was. The first posting was asking if anyone might know why my STFT (short term fuel trim) on bank 2 (sensors on the driver's side of the engine) wasn't updating, it just read 0.00 for a day or two while the LTFT (long term fuel trim) on both banks was changing/updating and the STFT on bank 1 was also changing/updating.
The STFT and LTFT is used by the computer to maintain the proper fuel-air ratio (not too lean, not too rich). I failed the state emissions for hydrocarbons, so I was curious to know if the non-changing fuel trim would cause that.
The second post stated that the STFT/LTFT was now updating, that I saw I had DTC code P0310 (misfire cylinder 10), swapped the COP and nothing changed. So I changed the out the plug and again got the P0310. The cause of the misfire, I think, has been narrowed down to the fuel injector or the wiring. I just would like an experienced opinion as to whether I should swap the injector with one from another cylinder or just get a new one?
BTW, there isn't any other codes popping up besides the #10 misfire.
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 02:07 PM
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Updated this in my injector change thread in the Super Duty & Heavy Duty forum. P0310 remains...
 
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 02:42 PM
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You said you had already swapped the COPs (between #10 to #6 ) and the error code remained the same PO310 . That eliminates a bad COP and/or bad rubber boot . Except a bad wiring connection at #10 .

What did you mean by "#10 plug was jacked" ?

Was there a physical damage with the old plug ?

Good luck,
 
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 03:07 PM
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There was, but not too bad. The point was broken off. It looked like whoever put it in may have busted it off trying to gap it, then messed up the gap trying to compensate for the broken point. It didn't look like impact damage from the piston or anything. It's coming down to wiring. What's the best way to check that?
 
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 05:34 PM
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You had replaced #10 plug and the truck has been running awhile . May be you can remove the new plug at #10 and visually check see if it is still OK . At least this way you can eliminate an internal cause that might have damaged the plug (interaction with a bent valve etc.).While you were at it, double check the #10 COP electrical contacts.

If you suspect any problem with #10 cylinder , a compression test may be required .
Good luck,
 
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 05:50 PM
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boj760,
I never have to check injectors but here is the recommended way by Haynes Repair manual;

1-With the engine running, place an automotive stethoscope against each injector ,one at a time , and listen for a clicking sound , indicating operation. If you don’t have a stethoscope , you can place the tip of a long screwdriver against the injector and listen through the handle.<O</O
2-If an injector isn’t functioning (not clicking) , purchase a special injector test light (sometimes called a “noid light) and install it into the injector electrical connector. Start the engine and check to see if the noid light flashes. If it does , the injector is receiving proper voltage . If it doesn’t flash , further diagnosis should be performed by a dealer service or other repair facility.<O</O
3- with the engine OFF and the fuel injector electrical connectors disconnected , measure the resistance of each injector . Check the Specification (injector resistance 11 to 18 ohms).
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Good luck,
 
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 07:49 PM
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Wolfboro, thanks for the tips. I have heard of 'niod lights but haven't used them and the Haynes procedure is something I'll check out tomorrow. Hopefully I'll have something more to go after listening to the injector and check the plug.
-Keith
 
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Old Nov 29, 2012 | 03:32 PM
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Either I'm getting old, truck's too loud or I just couldn't tell- but the long screwdriver didn't work very well (no stethascope). I'm picking up a 'noid light in the morning and give that a shot. In my other thread I stated that a friend suggested that maybe a valve wasn't seating right/fouled? Could that cause the gas/air ratio to change and be the culprit? I'll get some Sea Foam motor treatment along with the light. I didn't have a chance to check the plug, do that tomorrow too if the light checks out.
-Keith
 
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Old Dec 1, 2012 | 03:07 PM
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No 'noid lights in stock. Put in the Seafoam but can't tell if it's done anything as the code remains. Noticed some surging at WOT (mentioned in other thread). Any thoughts?
 
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