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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 06:46 PM
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We are compiling info, to make an educated purchase in the future on a new truck. The F250 is likely what we will buy. The gearing choices are 3.73 or 4.30, and will be used with the gas engine of 6.2 liters in size. Does one make it lug too much, or the other rev too hard on the highway in say the 60 MPH area, or 100 KM/hr for us in Canada. The primary use will be too carry our camper, 2 people, and tow our 18 foot alumunim boat, on single axle trailer. Would like to find a balance between just wasting gas for no reason, and lugging the truck.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Fish&Golf
We are compiling info, to make an educated purchase in the future on a new truck. The F250 is likely what we will buy. The gearing choices are 3.73 or 4.30, and will be used with the gas engine of 6.2 liters in size. Does one make it lug too much, or the other rev too hard on the highway in say the 60 MPH area, or 100 KM/hr for us in Canada. The primary use will be too carry our camper, 2 people, and tow our 18 foot alumunim boat, on single axle trailer. Would like to find a balance between just wasting gas for no reason, and lugging the truck.
3.73 will do fine with that load. I would stick with those. If you are going with an in bed camper you might want to go with the F350.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 07:25 PM
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4:30 or live to regret it later..

the power increase is noticable, the minimal MPG difference is to small to measure.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 07:32 PM
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Go with the 4:30, you will get better fuel economy carrying and or towing with 4:30 vs 3:73. In my opinion 3:73 should not even be an option with a gas engine. I actually would prefer 4:56's in my truck.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 08:45 PM
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So opinions vary obviously. What rpm does the 4.30 run at when doing 60MPH, does anyone know?
And much of the reason I want a 250 is it has more power than the 350 and we will put overloads in the rear to support the heavy camper.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 09:05 PM
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I know at 70 MPH, I am just a little over 2000 RPM's, maybe 2100. Interestingly I get better fuel mileage at 70 MPH than I do at 60 MPH. The reason is the engine is just coming into it's sweet spot.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 09:08 PM
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So opinions vary obviously. What rpm does the 4.30 run at when doing 60MPH, does anyone know?
And much of the reason I want a 250 is it has more power than the 350 and we will put overloads in the rear to support the heavy camper.
The F250 has the exact power that the F350 has. The MAIN difference is the rear springs.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Fish&Golf
And much of the reason I want a 250 is it has more power than the 350....
I addressed this in your other thread. Drop down to the 6.2 forum and do some reading there. Plenty of members there with the 6.2, some of whom are towing very heavy loads with 250s and 350s with no problem.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2012 | 10:49 PM
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The F250 has the exact power that the F350 has. The MAIN difference is the rear springs.
+1. The engine is identical, and the only difference with the rear springs is the extra overload leaf.

Either gearing will work fine for you, as you will have a 6-speed transmission with a nice and short first gear as well as the ability to lock out taller gears. I would opt for the 4.30s if I had the choice, but 3.73s shouldn't disqualify a truck that you like.

My Excursion has 4.30s, but I also have the relatively ancient 4-speed transmission that needs the extra gearing to help get things moving. I get ~1.5 MPGs less on the highway than my coworker does with his 3.73 V10 Excursion. So there is some fuel economy benefit to be had with 3.73s, but the reverse is likely true with towing fuel economy.
 
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Thanks to each and everyone of you. I have been reading, and it would appear that Ford's own brochure is indeed incorrect.
We will most likely look into a Supercab, longbox, 4x4 with 4.30 gearing.

It talks some aabout electronic lockers in the differentials, is that an available option on all trucks, oris it standard equipment, or only able to be had on very select trucks? If it makes any difference, we have not made a solid choice as of yet, but are leaning towards the XLT package.
 
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Thanks to each and everyone of you. I have been reading, and it would appear that Ford's own brochure is indeed incorrect.
We will most likely look into a Supercab, longbox, 4x4 with 4.30 gearing.
It's not that their brochures are incorrect, but rather the way they have to measure power in higher GVWR trucks. They rate the engine at a lower RPM which shows the horsepower and torque at that particular RPM, but not peak HP like we're used to seeing.

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It talks some aabout electronic lockers in the differentials, is that an available option on all trucks, oris it standard equipment, or only able to be had on very select trucks? If it makes any difference, we have not made a solid choice as of yet, but are leaning towards the XLT package.
You should have no problems finding an e-locker in an XLT package, but remember that there is only a locker available for the rear diff, the front is always open. To play around with the different packages available you can go to the Ford Superduty site and click on "Build and Price" on the top right.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2012 | 10:04 AM
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We changed out the 3.73 LS in our '09 F-250 XL SD, 5.4, 4X4, CC, LB to a 4.30 a while back. She has the stock baseline tires on 17" steel rims. It's turning 2000 RPM @ 60 MPH.

For what it's worth, we experienced about a 1-1.5 MPG reduction running empty with no trailer post 4.30's installation. But, believe it or not, we also experienced the about that same 1-1.5 MPG increase while pulling our 8500 lb. 5th wheel. Since about 75-80% of our yearly mileage will be pulling the 5ver we're very happy.

Our unit pulled the 5ver decently with the 3.73's but the 4.30's really brought the little V8 out of it's shell, so to speak.

Honestly weigh your towing/loaded mileage against your empty running mileage and that should tip the scales towards one ratio as opposed to another. Obviously if your towing/loaded mileage is substantially higher than your running empty mileage go with the numerically higher differential ratio. If it's the other way around you might think about the lower numerical ratio. Either ratio will probably get the job done but the advantages of either are tied directly to the primary usage of the unit.

Whatever you decide I hope you are as happy with your choice as we are.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2012 | 10:27 AM
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It would be a mistake to get an F250 for a slide-in camper or decent sized fifthwheel. It costs very little extra to get an F350, and the suspension will handle the payload better. An F250 can work, if that's what you already have, but if you're buying a new truck, get the one best suited to the job.

Gears should be 4:30.
 
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