Bio-diesel Update
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Bio-diesel Update
I have for the past few weeks been trying to gain some information on biodiesel grade B6 and above use in the 6.4L. I have established a connection with a lady named Jennifer Weaver, she is an information specialist with the National Biodiesel Board. As such she works closely with Ford HQ and all biodiesel companys. She gave me a lot of information today but I was not in a position to take notes so rather than try to relay what she said I have asked her to come on the forum and give us all her organizations mission and her views about our problems with bio. She has agreed to do so and even try to bring an "expert" biodiesel engineer from Ford with her. So, stand by and let's see if she follows through. In the mean time if someone will tell me how to get a message on Windows Live Mail in to a file I will post the emails on the forum.
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Me too. Our local WalMart just installed diesel pumps and are selling B6-20 at a cheaper price than the other stations regular diesel. I afraid that the other stations will switch to a bio-blend to stay competitive.
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Hello StanleyZ. You may remember me from this thread: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...e-than-b5.html
After posting here, I posted on the National Biodiesel Org facebook page and someone made contact with me there. That was about 5 weeks ago and have not heard anything, so I emailed the person back tonight to see if they were able to find anything out about the biodiesel issues with our trucks. We still have our truck, have not modified it, so it still has all the filters on it. Don't know how much longer we will keep it though, might not be too long. Can't keep it because we won't be able to go too far towing our camper if we do.
I will keep watching this thread, hope you are able to find out some more info.
After posting here, I posted on the National Biodiesel Org facebook page and someone made contact with me there. That was about 5 weeks ago and have not heard anything, so I emailed the person back tonight to see if they were able to find anything out about the biodiesel issues with our trucks. We still have our truck, have not modified it, so it still has all the filters on it. Don't know how much longer we will keep it though, might not be too long. Can't keep it because we won't be able to go too far towing our camper if we do.
I will keep watching this thread, hope you are able to find out some more info.
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Hello StanleyZ. You may remember me from this thread: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...e-than-b5.html
After posting here, I posted on the National Biodiesel Org facebook page and someone made contact with me there. That was about 5 weeks ago and have not heard anything, so I emailed the person back tonight to see if they were able to find anything out about the biodiesel issues with our trucks. We still have our truck, have not modified it, so it still has all the filters on it. Don't know how much longer we will keep it though, might not be too long. Can't keep it because we won't be able to go too far towing our camper if we do.
I will keep watching this thread, hope you are able to find out some more info.
After posting here, I posted on the National Biodiesel Org facebook page and someone made contact with me there. That was about 5 weeks ago and have not heard anything, so I emailed the person back tonight to see if they were able to find anything out about the biodiesel issues with our trucks. We still have our truck, have not modified it, so it still has all the filters on it. Don't know how much longer we will keep it though, might not be too long. Can't keep it because we won't be able to go too far towing our camper if we do.
I will keep watching this thread, hope you are able to find out some more info.
I haven't heard back from the National biodiesel board either. I wonder if these are tha same organization, probably so. I take what they say with a grain of salt as they represent the biodiesel industry. I don't want to steal their thunder by posting what they have to say in advance but if I haven't heard back by end of today I will try to post a synopsis of my phone conversation with them.
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The only other info that I would add to this is I was told by a friend to add a product called Stanadyne every time I had to fill up with biodiesel greater than B5. And to carry extra filters and such with us when we travel. That is something that we are still thinking about.
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The only other info that I would add to this is I was told by a friend to add a product called Stanadyne every time I had to fill up with biodiesel greater than B5. And to carry extra filters and such with us when we travel. That is something that we are still thinking about.
You should be using one of those fuel conditioners on every fill up, regardless of bio percentage, they do make a difference, particularly in DPF regen frequency.
Absolutely you should carry extra filters and tools to change them if needed. I carry them in my standard tool kit though I haven't had to use them on the road.
I also carry a spare set of hoses for the intercooler and turbo connections, if one of those lets go it will leave you stranded but if you have the parts and tools you can replace it in 15 minutes.
I also recommend used oil analysis (Blackstone) for every oil change, the information is invaluable. Get the pre-paid 6pack sample kits to save a few bucks.
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where is this person?
I can't wait to make a believer out of some of you.
on a side note, I have been doing some experimenting since I have heard some crazy rumors about the bad things about Bio.....
first I mixed a batch of B-5 up to see if there is any separation after it sits for a while, Been 2 weeks still looks like it did when I mixed it, the same goes for B-20 and B-50 samples I made.
I then took some straight Bio (B-100) put about 2 teaspoons of water in it, shook it for a couple of minutes and it turned slightly milky, I let it sit over night and what do you know it separated!!!!
I have been Burning B-15 to B-20 all summer and my mixed mileage has been 16.8-17.7 mpg hand calc'd .
I can't wait to make a believer out of some of you.
on a side note, I have been doing some experimenting since I have heard some crazy rumors about the bad things about Bio.....
first I mixed a batch of B-5 up to see if there is any separation after it sits for a while, Been 2 weeks still looks like it did when I mixed it, the same goes for B-20 and B-50 samples I made.
I then took some straight Bio (B-100) put about 2 teaspoons of water in it, shook it for a couple of minutes and it turned slightly milky, I let it sit over night and what do you know it separated!!!!
I have been Burning B-15 to B-20 all summer and my mixed mileage has been 16.8-17.7 mpg hand calc'd .
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Well, I haven't heard back since last thursday. I have the emails to post but I'm gonna give her another day or two. The last one I sent was a request to post her e mails. I hate to go ahead without her agreement. She did say she would try to get someone from Ford to come on the forum. I told her that would be great but it needed to be someone who would follow up by ammending the owners manual with a statement that B20 would be OK and Ford would warranty that to some specific mileage. Otherwise, an engineer coming on here and saying it's OK to use B20 would be meaningless. So, my guess is her request to get anything like that from Ford met some resistance. There seems to be a significant distance from what Ford HQ says in meetings with biodiesel groups and what their field managers and techs say about it.
I can report that there does not seem to be any B6 or above in Michigan. At least I've not found any yet and the feds require that be posted. BTW, B5 and below does not have to be posted. So, we may all be using B5 and not know it.
I can report that there does not seem to be any B6 or above in Michigan. At least I've not found any yet and the feds require that be posted. BTW, B5 and below does not have to be posted. So, we may all be using B5 and not know it.
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It's Stanadyne Performance Formula diesel fuel conditioner. Stanadyne is reported to OEM the Ford fuel conditioner (PM22a) and I read a Ford doc somewhere that refered to "Ford PM22a fuel conditioner or equivalent such as Stanadyne Performance Formula".
You should be using one of those fuel conditioners on every fill up, regardless of bio percentage, they do make a difference, particularly in DPF regen frequency.
Absolutely you should carry extra filters and tools to change them if needed. I carry them in my standard tool kit though I haven't had to use them on the road.
I also carry a spare set of hoses for the intercooler and turbo connections, if one of those lets go it will leave you stranded but if you have the parts and tools you can replace it in 15 minutes.
I also recommend used oil analysis (Blackstone) for every oil change, the information is invaluable. Get the pre-paid 6pack sample kits to save a few bucks.
You should be using one of those fuel conditioners on every fill up, regardless of bio percentage, they do make a difference, particularly in DPF regen frequency.
Absolutely you should carry extra filters and tools to change them if needed. I carry them in my standard tool kit though I haven't had to use them on the road.
I also carry a spare set of hoses for the intercooler and turbo connections, if one of those lets go it will leave you stranded but if you have the parts and tools you can replace it in 15 minutes.
I also recommend used oil analysis (Blackstone) for every oil change, the information is invaluable. Get the pre-paid 6pack sample kits to save a few bucks.
I am pretty sure that Gold Eagle makes the Motorcraft diesel fuel additives of Ford.
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I have not heard back from the person I contacted again either. I take that as bad news, because there is probably no way my truck can use B6 to B20. If it was good news to report, I have to assume he would of contacted me back by now as he said they had a technical team--This was National Biodiesel Org on facebook.
I can report that the use of B6 to B20 biodiesel at the trucks stops is alive and well and plentiful in eastern Iowa, Illinois and Indiana, Interstate 65 and Interstate 74 and Interstate 80.
I can report that the use of B6 to B20 biodiesel at the trucks stops is alive and well and plentiful in eastern Iowa, Illinois and Indiana, Interstate 65 and Interstate 74 and Interstate 80.
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I have not heard back from the person I contacted again either. I take that as bad news, because there is probably no way my truck can use B6 to B20. If it was good news to report, I have to assume he would of contacted me back by now as he said they had a technical team--This was National Biodiesel Org on facebook.
I can report that the use of B6 to B20 biodiesel at the trucks stops is alive and well and plentiful in eastern Iowa, Illinois and Indiana, Interstate 65 and Interstate 74 and Interstate 80.
I can report that the use of B6 to B20 biodiesel at the trucks stops is alive and well and plentiful in eastern Iowa, Illinois and Indiana, Interstate 65 and Interstate 74 and Interstate 80.
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First time I've seen B20 in Houston. Stripes Station.
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