scroll compressor?
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scroll compressor?
'05 v10 sd, been shopping for parts, wanted a -not scroll compressor- but it seems they make only scroll type for the v10, am I correct? seems like comp.-cond.& dryer need replacing. ..... (also noticed the "kit" costs more than individ. parts?)..no big hurry to get this done , really need help cause no trust in shops, any ideas on finding anyone in daytona? (being 73 dose'nt help either)...& where they put that compressor - it's almost totally surounded by steel!!......Jerry
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Jerry,
For what it's worth, the 2003 shop manual says the AC compressor is in the same place in the 6.8L as in the 5.4L. In my 5.4L, the compressor is on the passenger's side, way down at the bottom. The book says to remove the splash shield and pull the compressor out the bottom.
I can't say anything either way about the scroll compressor in vehicles, but the scroll compressor in my home heat pump is 20 years old and still working great! I am in VA, & we get a fair amount of both heating and cooling, so the compressor gets used a lot. The only replacement I would consider for the heat pump is another scroll compressor.
For what it's worth, the 2003 shop manual says the AC compressor is in the same place in the 6.8L as in the 5.4L. In my 5.4L, the compressor is on the passenger's side, way down at the bottom. The book says to remove the splash shield and pull the compressor out the bottom.
I can't say anything either way about the scroll compressor in vehicles, but the scroll compressor in my home heat pump is 20 years old and still working great! I am in VA, & we get a fair amount of both heating and cooling, so the compressor gets used a lot. The only replacement I would consider for the heat pump is another scroll compressor.
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scroll vs piston
thanks for the input. my v10 has a steel cross member- under- the compressor (but open @ front), there is a hand-hole? to get to the refrig. line(s) on top of compressor. (I have a scroll compressor for the home unit, been great for 2yr),....but after searching / reading posts etc., (for a month),..I get the impression the scroll type is not lasting long on autos/trks....I also am finding that there is no piston type for this '05 v10 avail....(my '06 5.4 is still doing good.) ....guess I'll get the scroll type. thanks...J....
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05 SD in all my catalogs shows it to be an FS10, not a scroll. Still the black death compressor, but not a scroll. It has a seam in the middle of the body right? Not a flange right behind the clutch?
The FS-10 is a swash plate style piston compressor.
The FS-10 is a swash plate style piston compressor.
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Yes, I havent seen the scroll on a Super Duty.
I dont like the scroll on vehicles so far. Ive seen the entire side of them blow out and even when healthy the high side gives an eratic reading that can make you think they are bad when healthy. A lot of them leak out the back case seal also. Not one of their better compressors.
I like the FS10 though they have thier share of failures. That is just the reality of our AC systems.
The worst compressors Ive seen on Ford are on the 500/Taurus/Freestyle platform. They fail often. They dont really show it easily either. They cool well at higher RPM but at lower rpm and at idle not well at all. High pressure drops way too low causing low pressure to raise. Ive seen this in MANY of these models and the replacement compressor is one of their most expensive models.
Those old York piston pumps are a thing of the long past. They took about twice the horsepower to operate!
I dont like the scroll on vehicles so far. Ive seen the entire side of them blow out and even when healthy the high side gives an eratic reading that can make you think they are bad when healthy. A lot of them leak out the back case seal also. Not one of their better compressors.
I like the FS10 though they have thier share of failures. That is just the reality of our AC systems.
The worst compressors Ive seen on Ford are on the 500/Taurus/Freestyle platform. They fail often. They dont really show it easily either. They cool well at higher RPM but at lower rpm and at idle not well at all. High pressure drops way too low causing low pressure to raise. Ive seen this in MANY of these models and the replacement compressor is one of their most expensive models.
Those old York piston pumps are a thing of the long past. They took about twice the horsepower to operate!
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+1. Always been a big fan of the Frigidaire/Harrison A6. There's a reason that even Ford used them on their flagship vehicles in the 70s. 
The GM/Frigidaire combo of the A6 compressor, POA valve and a well designed air handler yielded a climate control system that is still superior to many modern systems.
However, the available core stock of those is getting tired, good remans are getting really hard to find and the new (offshore made) units have QC issues.
I fought the good fight for many years, but now often recommend the Sanden based Pro6Ten in place of the venerable A6, especially with R12 systems. Dang it.
The GM/Frigidaire combo of the A6 compressor, POA valve and a well designed air handler yielded a climate control system that is still superior to many modern systems.
However, the available core stock of those is getting tired, good remans are getting really hard to find and the new (offshore made) units have QC issues.
I fought the good fight for many years, but now often recommend the Sanden based Pro6Ten in place of the venerable A6, especially with R12 systems. Dang it.
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I'm seeing vague references to a Motorcraft YCC-281 for that application just searching the Internet. The YCC-281 is a scroll compressor.
If there is a positive listing, it's for an FS 10. Those part listings all specify "...with FS-10 compressor..." , as if there are other options.
I see this for 05 and 06, but I don't have access to Ford catalogs, just aftermarket.
I wonder if both types were used during that time, with some Ford Corporate logic as to where each was used?
This looks like a puzzle for NumberDummy.
If there is a positive listing, it's for an FS 10. Those part listings all specify "...with FS-10 compressor..." , as if there are other options.
I see this for 05 and 06, but I don't have access to Ford catalogs, just aftermarket.
I wonder if both types were used during that time, with some Ford Corporate logic as to where each was used?
This looks like a puzzle for NumberDummy.
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thanks for all the replys, I'm still a little in the dark--all the listings for the FS10, (that I've found online), all show the fs10 was up to '99 or so, but not for 2005, & the configuration of the in-out ports appears diff. ( again ,this is for a v10, down on the bottom surrounded by a steel cross-member), I'll probably have to settle for a scroll type!...been doing all the searching online (2-3 hours a day!), I see lots of "aftermarket" compressors shown with "motorcraft" oil???...& "global parts"...most compressor deals really don't sound so good.(comes down to--pay your money & take your chance).......J...
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Well if you end up with a scroll compressor and cant return it you wont have made a very good choice will you? Why dont you just buy one locally where you can return it if THEY guess wrong? Ford dealers offer a pretty good price on a "LOADED" compressor. You get a new body, new clutch assembly installed, prefilled with PAG oil all for one decent price. These are all new, not remanufactured. Check it out.
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thanks for the interest Homer. my choice will be the very best. I do lots of research first. the fs10 appears to be a scroll type also- that info is missing on most/ all sites. the fs10 also "appears" to not fit a '05 v10,(but is ok on some diesels, pre 2000 etc.)(note the port location-my ports are on the side-yes, side, not top, not rear)...all my searching is to try to get a compressor that is not a scroll type!...it is looking like- all - are scroll ( for a '05 v10)...(I could put on the A 6, but don't want to do that much fabrication)...so I'll probably get a motorcraft (scroll) (ycc234).the Ford dealer is about $ 245 more(than online) , & I still have to check/ correct the oil,& don't know what a "loaded" compressor is....J...
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Loaded means exactly what I said, it has a body, clutch assy and is prefilled with oil for the whole system. You can get remanufactured compressors for less online Im sure. This is an all new compressor.
FS10 is not a scroll compressor. It uses swash plate and reed valves internally.
I only do about 10 AC compressors a week for Ford for the past 17 years. I could be well wrong.
Good luck
FS10 is not a scroll compressor. It uses swash plate and reed valves internally.
I only do about 10 AC compressors a week for Ford for the past 17 years. I could be well wrong.
Good luck
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Homer, thanks for the info, yes I've been looking for a new(only) fs10, but would still check the oil. Can't think anyone would not get a new clutch. please advise where you get a fs10 for the '05 e450 v10, everywhere I look the fs10 only fits a diesel or 5.4 or v-6 etc, none for a e450 v10,(ports on side, inline w/shaft), my manifold won't bolt up with ports on end or top. fyi, also intend to get,dryer(new) - par.flow cond.(new),ex.tube (new).---still looks like it will be the scroll. no big hurry, it's on my hobby/toy/conversion van & it's way too hot out there now......J...
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