351 Cleveland in 96 f-150???
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are you sure you are talking about a 351 cleveland and not a 351 windsor? The reason I ask is because the cleveland hasn't been produced since sometime in the 1970's,and the windsor was produced into the late 90's. The cleveland was never fuel injected,so you will be running a stone age engine in your newer truck. The windsor was fuel injected from sometime in the late 80's up til the end of production in the late 90's. A 351 windsor would be almost a direct swap into your truck,whereas the cleveland will require a new transmission as well as other things.
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cjben- The EFI 5.8 (351w) was produced from 1988-1997. And in 97 it just came in the F250.
If you can find a 351w to swap in you will be very very happy verses your 302. You'll have more power, and get better mpg. It uses the same trans, wiring harness, injectors, throttle body, water pump, timing chain cover, valve covers, and belt brackets. Difference b/t the 5.0 and 5.8 are upper and lower intake and fuel rail.
If you can find a 351w to swap in you will be very very happy verses your 302. You'll have more power, and get better mpg. It uses the same trans, wiring harness, injectors, throttle body, water pump, timing chain cover, valve covers, and belt brackets. Difference b/t the 5.0 and 5.8 are upper and lower intake and fuel rail.
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Haha. Ok let my specify. In accessories attached to the 5.0 and 5.8 the difference is the upper/lower intake and fuel rail.
We all know the 351w has a longer stroke that gives it the .8L. And if you want to get technical a 351w is not a 351w, its a 352w.
We all know the 351w has a longer stroke that gives it the .8L. And if you want to get technical a 351w is not a 351w, its a 352w.
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definitely a cleveland
So, the rational was that I have access to a cleveland (2v), but I'd have to go source a windsor.
I'm pretty sure the engine is tired, not a "sensor problem". It has 372000 km, and if I park on a slope and leave it in gear, it will just roll right down the little slope, with barely slowing down.
So, engine is dying (it also goes through oil like crazy), and I need to put something else in my truck. I thought about finding a little diesel out of a delivery truck (like a pepsi truck), but think that'd probably take too much effort to make work. The cleveland looks like it'd be fun to do, and I'm pretty sure some trucks in the 70's came with them, but if it's not gonna get me better mileage, I won't bother.
Other than a windsor, is there anything else I should consider? It doesn't have to be a (gasp) ford engine... After all, I have a kubota diesel in my john deere garden tractor. ....
Any suggestions?
I'm pretty sure the engine is tired, not a "sensor problem". It has 372000 km, and if I park on a slope and leave it in gear, it will just roll right down the little slope, with barely slowing down.
So, engine is dying (it also goes through oil like crazy), and I need to put something else in my truck. I thought about finding a little diesel out of a delivery truck (like a pepsi truck), but think that'd probably take too much effort to make work. The cleveland looks like it'd be fun to do, and I'm pretty sure some trucks in the 70's came with them, but if it's not gonna get me better mileage, I won't bother.
Other than a windsor, is there anything else I should consider? It doesn't have to be a (gasp) ford engine... After all, I have a kubota diesel in my john deere garden tractor. ....
Any suggestions?
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Just get a 351w instead. It will be a ton of work to fit a 351c into your truck. Bellhousing pattern, motor mounts, exhaust, etc. are all different and the mounts and exhaust will have to be custom. You will need a new transmission altogether and if it's an electronic transmission, how are you going to get a carb motor, a PCM, and an electronic trans all talking to each other?
Unless you are really experienced in fabrication and custom work, I would go with what's going to be easiest.
Unless you are really experienced in fabrication and custom work, I would go with what's going to be easiest.
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351C has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as a 351W/302.The 351M has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 429/460.The 351M and 351C share the same heads,dizzy(not sure what else).That aside,don't waste your time with the cleveland,it's designed for a lighter car.You'll be way ahead with a 351 Windsor engine.They are plentiful and generally inexpensive.
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It's a 5-speed, and I understand I'd need a different fuel pump. But truck is rwd, so not too heavy, and father-in-law IS extremely experienced in fabricating (it's his cleveland), and he suggested doing the switch. Not considering the work involved, is it just a bad idea? I always thought clevelands were a pretty good engine. And father figured in my truck it'd get pretty good mileage.
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