1974 Econoline Supervan
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Putting a posi into a 9" requires total dis-assembly, not as easy as the others, they have lunch-box lockers, don't require carrier removal. Yep, power with a posi makes the van squirrely to say the least, but most if not all hotrods spin both wheels.
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But, don't expect to find the shift lever on the floor, because it's located on the steering column. 4 on the tree!
The only engines available for 1969/74 Econolines: 170 (1969/70), 240 & 300 I-6's, 302 2V / Only transmissions: Ford type 3.03 3 speed manual all syncromesh, C4 Cruise-O-Matic.
maples01: There's no such thing as a 1968 Econoline. While the new Econoline was introduced February 1968, FoMoCo referred to them as 1969's.
Other examples: Mustang introduced 4/23/1964, FoMoCo referred to them as 1965's. Continental Mark III introduced March 1968, FoMoCo referred to them as 1969's.
Maverick introduced June 1969, FoMoCo referred to them as 1970's. Ranger introduced March 1982, FoMoCo referred to them as 1983's.
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Some states back then titled vehicles in the year they were first sold, not by their actual model year.
Dagenham not available in Econolines after 1964, probably because the demand was slight. The convoluted 4 on the tree shift linkage could have been another factor.
Dagenham also available in I-6 1962/64 Falcons, 1965/66 Mustangs...all have a floor shift. The Dagenham's reverse gear has a distinct whine.
This trans was originally installed in English Fords. City of Dagenham located just east of London, where FoMoCo's assembly plant is.
Dagenham not available in Econolines after 1964, probably because the demand was slight. The convoluted 4 on the tree shift linkage could have been another factor.
Dagenham also available in I-6 1962/64 Falcons, 1965/66 Mustangs...all have a floor shift. The Dagenham's reverse gear has a distinct whine.
This trans was originally installed in English Fords. City of Dagenham located just east of London, where FoMoCo's assembly plant is.
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Next, you'd wonder where in the world replacement parts could be found. Obsolete as the dodo bird, prolly hard to find at the trans' original source, Dagenham England.
Other 4-on-the-trees: Mercedes-Benz 219 & 220 with or without Hydrac / Citroen ID19, DS21, DS21 Pallas.
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I don't think it could be bolted to any V8. For example, 1963 1/2 260 Falcon Sprints were available with the T-10 4 speed Warner trans, while 1963 Falcon 170's were available with the Dagenham 4 speed.
If the Dagenham could be bolted to the 260's bellhousing, why didn't FoMoCo use it?
You want 4 on the tree at an affordable price, look for a 1955/76 Citroen ID19, DS21. Citroens are the only cars in the world you can remove a rear wheel from, then drive them all over the world!
Have FWD, air/oil hydro/pneumatic suspension, torsion bars and were the first cars in the world to have radial tires.
If the Dagenham could be bolted to the 260's bellhousing, why didn't FoMoCo use it?
You want 4 on the tree at an affordable price, look for a 1955/76 Citroen ID19, DS21. Citroens are the only cars in the world you can remove a rear wheel from, then drive them all over the world!
Have FWD, air/oil hydro/pneumatic suspension, torsion bars and were the first cars in the world to have radial tires.
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I was on a Econoline website years ago for the first generations and a guy told me he put a 302 into one of them I wanna say a 64 or 65 not sure how he did it or what transmission he used I figured three on the tree since I didn't know about the fours but I remember him saying it was standard trans
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I've seen several 1961/67 Econolines that had swapped 289/302's, but I've never seen or heard of a Dagenham 4 speed behind any V8. Maybe FoMoCo did this across the pond or down under with a limey V8, but not here.
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I never knew about the 4 speed on the tree in a Ford Bill. I learned something today. Thanks Bud. Been a Ford man my whole life too. I love the column shift 3 speed. Had a Mercedes 4 on the tree and loved it. Now ya got me thinking Bud. So it only came behind the 170 in the Van? Stangs had the same trans that shifted on the floor. Prolly seen them but didn't know it from other 4 speeds. Now I am gonna have to Google this and learn all about it. But first I gotta go down to the beach with the girls and kids as they are swimming and enjoying the oh so rare sun here in the rain forest.
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Mustangs did not have the Dagenham. Falcons only, besides the 4-on-the-tree Econoline.
Mustang V8s had T10s early, toploaders later. The problem with those is linkage, which would be the problem with the Dagenham as well.
You would have to find one in salvagable condition first, then mod it to fit.
Also, I do not believe the Dagenham would live behind a V8 for very long at all.
Three speed or automatic would be your choices.
Oh, you could put a toploader in there, and shift 1-2-3-4 with the column shifter. (1st would be where R is, 2-3-4 where 1-2-3 is)
Then you could have a seperate lever for reverse.
Mustang V8s had T10s early, toploaders later. The problem with those is linkage, which would be the problem with the Dagenham as well.
You would have to find one in salvagable condition first, then mod it to fit.
Also, I do not believe the Dagenham would live behind a V8 for very long at all.
Three speed or automatic would be your choices.
Oh, you could put a toploader in there, and shift 1-2-3-4 with the column shifter. (1st would be where R is, 2-3-4 where 1-2-3 is)
Then you could have a seperate lever for reverse.
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I'm sorry Ed, but that's incorrect.
1965/72 Ford Passenger Car Parts Catalog / Transmission Applications Charts / Parts List Section 70.5 - 4 Speed Manual Transmission - Dagenham Type.
The only listing in this section are for 1965/66 Mustangs w/a 200 / Dagenham trans ID tag numbers: 1965 Mustang: HEJ-B, HEJ-D / 1965/66 Mustang: HEJ-E.
C5ZZ-7290-A .. Lever-First & Second Speed Shifter Fork & Cam & Shaft / C5ZZ-7290-B .. Lever-Reverse Shifter Fork Cam & Shaft.
Notice that the following part number prefixes are same as these 2 trans levers.
C5ZZ-16005-A right & C5ZZ-16006-A left .. Front Fenders -1965/66 Mustang.
I rest my case.
Falcons only.1965/72 Ford Passenger Car Parts Catalog / Transmission Applications Charts / Parts List Section 70.5 - 4 Speed Manual Transmission - Dagenham Type.
The only listing in this section are for 1965/66 Mustangs w/a 200 / Dagenham trans ID tag numbers: 1965 Mustang: HEJ-B, HEJ-D / 1965/66 Mustang: HEJ-E.
C5ZZ-7290-A .. Lever-First & Second Speed Shifter Fork & Cam & Shaft / C5ZZ-7290-B .. Lever-Reverse Shifter Fork Cam & Shaft.
Notice that the following part number prefixes are same as these 2 trans levers.
C5ZZ-16005-A right & C5ZZ-16006-A left .. Front Fenders -1965/66 Mustang.
I rest my case.
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Maybe they did have 'em:
What's it worth -Dagenham 4-speed - Vintage Mustang Forums
60's 4 speed trannies - Vintage Mustang Forums
How rare is this??? - Vintage Mustang Forums
One for sale:
Transmission 1965 Dagenham 4-spd manual, unspecified for sale | Hemmings Motor News
Using this and some cable, you could put a T5 in there and have the shifter on the front of the doghouse....
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Some minor adjustments may need to be made.
A complete fabrication perhaps.
ON EDIT: I started working on this before your post, so I stand corrected on the Mustang Dangnabbit transmission.
What's it worth -Dagenham 4-speed - Vintage Mustang Forums
60's 4 speed trannies - Vintage Mustang Forums
How rare is this??? - Vintage Mustang Forums
One for sale:
Transmission 1965 Dagenham 4-spd manual, unspecified for sale | Hemmings Motor News
Using this and some cable, you could put a T5 in there and have the shifter on the front of the doghouse....
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Some minor adjustments may need to be made.
A complete fabrication perhaps.
ON EDIT: I started working on this before your post, so I stand corrected on the Mustang Dangnabbit transmission.
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1965 Mustang V8: only Warner T-10 4 speed available / 1966 Mustang V8: both the T-10 and the Ford 4 speed top loader were available.
1966 was the last year for the T-10 installed in V8 Falcon/Fairlane/Mustang/Comet / 1964 last year for full sized Fords/Mercs.
1966 was the last year for the T-10 installed in V8 Falcon/Fairlane/Mustang/Comet / 1964 last year for full sized Fords/Mercs.