Notices

Pre vs post 86 302 question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 4, 2003 | 10:03 PM
  #1  
cybercoyote's Avatar
cybercoyote
Thread Starter
|
New User
20 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
From: Colorado
Question Pre vs post 86 302 question

I'm building up a 302 for my 67 F-100. The plan is to put an EFI system off of a HO mustang. I recently got my hands on an engine, but it's out of a 1973 bronco. Will a 90 EFI system work on a 73 block?
And what is the diffrence between the 85 and earlier blocks as opposed to the 86 and newer blocks? That seems to be the change date...
Can anyone help?
 
Reply
Old May 5, 2003 | 12:18 PM
  #2  
90f150moneypit's Avatar
90f150moneypit
Posting Guru
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,061
Likes: 0
From: Still under the hood in O
Pre vs post 86 302 question

Not sure when they went to the roller blocks (90's), but I believe the Mustangs had them earlier than the trucks.
I also believe the '86 block is the only year that differs because it had flat top pistons, no others did. Not sure of any other changes.
Sorry I couldn't be of any more help.
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2003 | 10:58 AM
  #3  
red_rocket's Avatar
red_rocket
Senior User
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 465
Likes: 1
From: Tower MN, Houghton MI
Pre vs post 86 302 question

yes the efi system will work on any 302 other than a boss 302.

The change in 86 was to efi, and to a roller cam in the mustangs.
The roller setup will go into any 302 block, so there really is no changes for the roller cam.

However,in 82 they went to one piece rear main seal.
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2003 | 11:01 AM
  #4  
SDElwood's Avatar
SDElwood
Beer Fridge Finder
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 14,988
Likes: 1,151
From: Savannah, GA
Club FTE Gold Member
Pre vs post 86 302 question

Just make sure that the cam in your 70 engine has the same firing order as the EFI.
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2003 | 11:17 AM
  #5  
red_rocket's Avatar
red_rocket
Senior User
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 465
Likes: 1
From: Tower MN, Houghton MI
Pre vs post 86 302 question

Originally posted by BroncoGuy84
Just make sure that the cam in your 70 engine has the same firing order as the EFI.
good point, with a 5.0 H.O. efi setup you will need a either put in a 351 cam, or even better, swap in the roller cam setup from the mustang.
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2003 | 11:30 AM
  #6  
SDElwood's Avatar
SDElwood
Beer Fridge Finder
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 14,988
Likes: 1,151
From: Savannah, GA
Club FTE Gold Member
Pre vs post 86 302 question

Yes. The fuelie should be 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8. I didn't even have to look at the notes on my arm for that one.
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2003 | 12:31 PM
  #7  
JP3's Avatar
JP3
More Turbo
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 544
Likes: 18
From: Amarillo, Texas
Pre vs post 86 302 question

You should have.

The "normal" 302 is 15426378

HO 302 is the same as the 351 order.

-James
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2003 | 12:48 PM
  #8  
SDElwood's Avatar
SDElwood
Beer Fridge Finder
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 14,988
Likes: 1,151
From: Savannah, GA
Club FTE Gold Member
Pre vs post 86 302 question

Yeah... I knew that. No really. I did. Maybe I just forgot. Well ok, I'll admit it... I've been working on my Windsor so much lately it's the only firing order I can see... and I mean I see it everywhere.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-3

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
Old May 6, 2003 | 01:08 PM
  #9  
cybercoyote's Avatar
cybercoyote
Thread Starter
|
New User
20 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
From: Colorado
Pre vs post 86 302 question

Thank you all. The information is greatly helpfull.
Silly question though. If the cam has the wrong firing order, wont the crank as well?
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2003 | 02:42 PM
  #10  
red_rocket's Avatar
red_rocket
Senior User
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 465
Likes: 1
From: Tower MN, Houghton MI
Pre vs post 86 302 question

Originally posted by cybercoyote
Thank you all. The information is greatly helpfull.
Silly question though. If the cam has the wrong firing order, wont the crank as well?
Nope, because it just changes the order of when the power stroke is.

My BII has a 86 302, with a 351 cam in it, I all I had to do is change the order of the spark plugs.
 
Reply
Old May 6, 2003 | 03:44 PM
  #11  
90f150moneypit's Avatar
90f150moneypit
Posting Guru
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,061
Likes: 0
From: Still under the hood in O
Pre vs post 86 302 question

Silly question though. If the cam has the wrong firing order, wont the crank as well?
Just think of the crank as the dumbest part of the engine.....it just does what it is told.
 
Reply
Old May 7, 2003 | 06:08 AM
  #12  
baddad457's Avatar
baddad457
Hotshot
20 Year Member
Liked
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 11,141
Likes: 25
From: south louisiana
Pre vs post 86 302 question

You cannot just "swap" a roller cam and lifters into a pre roller block. The lifter bores on the roller block are taller to accomodate the taller lifters. To use a roller cam in a non-roller block you can either use a reduced base circle cam and the factory roller lifter setup or a factory roller cam with special link-bar roller lifters ( I think Crane makes these) You can use the EFI setup with your 73 motor if you get the setup from a non-HO motor such as a Crown-Vic or pickup or T-Bird. The roller cams were first installled in Stangs and Lincolns in 1985
 
Reply
Old May 7, 2003 | 06:35 PM
  #13  
cybercoyote's Avatar
cybercoyote
Thread Starter
|
New User
20 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
From: Colorado
Pre vs post 86 302 question

Allright. Would I be able to use the mustang setup I have (Upper and lower intake, injectors, rail, harness and sensors) but ecxhange the computer for one from a t-bird or crown vic?
 
Reply
Old May 7, 2003 | 11:31 PM
  #14  
baddad457's Avatar
baddad457
Hotshot
20 Year Member
Liked
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 11,141
Likes: 25
From: south louisiana
Pre vs post 86 302 question

As far as I know the Stang and the Crown Vic/T-bird setup are the same except for the computer. I had one off of an 88 Crown Vic and it was virtually identical to the Stang upper/lower except for the upper was reversed in relation to the Stangs. So yes, I think all you'll need is to get a Crown Vic/T-Bird computer. Then after you get it running, you'll have to make sure the air/fuel ratio is Ok to prevent a too rich/ lean conditon.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
streamin along
1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
22
Feb 20, 2011 04:12 PM
joeblow972
1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
3
Jun 23, 2004 01:08 PM
akita
Small Block V8 (221, 260, 289, 5.0/302, 5.8/351W)
1
Jul 29, 2002 06:54 PM
Big Bronco Boy
1978 - 1996 Big Bronco
2
Dec 15, 2001 01:02 PM
AlM
1978 - 1996 Big Bronco
5
Mar 31, 2001 11:34 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:32 AM.

story-0
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-2
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-7
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE