First Heavy Pull
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From: Cumming, Iowa
First Heavy Pull
Well last Saturday bought a toy hauler in SC and headed back to central IA that afternoon with the new to us toy. It's a Heartland, Cyclone 35 foot bumper pull T/H. tag says dry is 9000 lbs, max GVW 13,000.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
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Did avoid going back through the mountains went to Atlanta then north out of there. It was certainly all my non tuned truck wanted, she ran good worst fuel was 8.9mpg best was on the flats at 11.5 keeping in mind it was all Lie-O-Meter readings so it probably was a bit less.<o></o>
Observation: You can't use cruise control, it would gouge the throttle at any small grade & downshift twisting the tac to 28 or so did not like that but it could easily maintain speed there, Just made my butt pucker twisting it that tight. So I stopped using cruse except on long flat runs.<o></o>
Question does anyone like Matt or Jody do just transmission tuning only?
And any downside to trans tuning only?
I assume I would need to by an SC-3 tuner to download a trans tune if I can get one but I just am pretty leery about tuning the motor as I think I would be happy with the power I have if I could get it to hang in 5th and mash to go pedal a bit a bit further down without down shifting. Or would just bite the bullet and get a tow tune?<o></o>
Currently pricing a CTS with egt probe & fuel psi sender set up.
Oh yea forgot I installed a sinister collant filter set up prior to leaving on trip changed filter when I got home just have not cut it open to see whats there.<o></o>
Hit me with what you think and what you guys would do.
fficeffice" /><o></o>Did avoid going back through the mountains went to Atlanta then north out of there. It was certainly all my non tuned truck wanted, she ran good worst fuel was 8.9mpg best was on the flats at 11.5 keeping in mind it was all Lie-O-Meter readings so it probably was a bit less.<o
></o>Observation: You can't use cruise control, it would gouge the throttle at any small grade & downshift twisting the tac to 28 or so did not like that but it could easily maintain speed there, Just made my butt pucker twisting it that tight. So I stopped using cruse except on long flat runs.<o
></o>Question does anyone like Matt or Jody do just transmission tuning only?
And any downside to trans tuning only?
I assume I would need to by an SC-3 tuner to download a trans tune if I can get one but I just am pretty leery about tuning the motor as I think I would be happy with the power I have if I could get it to hang in 5th and mash to go pedal a bit a bit further down without down shifting. Or would just bite the bullet and get a tow tune?<o
></o>Currently pricing a CTS with egt probe & fuel psi sender set up.
Oh yea forgot I installed a sinister collant filter set up prior to leaving on trip changed filter when I got home just have not cut it open to see whats there.<o
></o>Hit me with what you think and what you guys would do.
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From: Claremore, OK
Gees that's a heavy toyhauler! With our bunkhouse (tips the scales at 8500# dry) and the aerodynamics of a barn...I have no problems maintaining 65-70 mph around these parts (a few moderate hills). Were you using the Tow/Haul mode on the on the end of the gear shifter? It will cause the truck to shift differently, but should help the truck pull better. Burning a gallon every 10-12 miles sounds about right for that much weight.
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From: Oregon
I pull a 14k Alpenlite 5er with no problems just use the T/H and drive the only thing i don't like is the down shifts of the trans in the mountains and the high rpm where my 97 with the PacBrake and ATS converter lockup in the mountains i have to give it fuel or i will slow down. My mpg run 8.5 pulling and 18.4 solo all by hand Get the gauges they are a must if you pull or not. My 06 pulls 95% of the time, my 97 is the grocery getter.
Edge Insight CTS a great tool, get the expandable probe so if you want to add more to it down the line plus you can run 8 things at one time. Most are Free shipping over $50
http://stealth-automotive.com/index.php?target=products&product_id=1634
http://www.xtremediesel.com/edgeproductInsightCSCTS.aspx
Things you can add down the line like turbo timer & back up Monitor & fuel pressure
The Edge accessory system (EAS) was created with future expandability in mind Product Code: EDG98603
http://www.toyhauleradventures.com/2011/04/edge-products-cts-update-turbo-timer-install/ Product Code: EDG98604
http://www.toyhauleradventures.com/2011/02/insight-cts-monitor-by-edge-products/
http://www.toyhauleradventures.com/2011/10/ford-powerstroke-6-0l-fuel-pressure-monitor-and-low-pressure-fix/
or you can order here Free Shipping
http://www.alligatorperformance.com/part_finder_models.php?mID=6&cID=250
Lot of guys get the ScanGaugeII to me not as good as the Edge because you can not use the pyro a must if you pull
ScanGauge - Trip Computer + Digitial Gauges + ScanTools
Fuel pressure gauge also a must so you know what your pressure is at WOT because pulling you are in WOT alot.
This is what i got for the fuel pressure gauge, it goes into the test port, this is a cool set up gets the sender away from the heat and viberation of the motor.
http://dan.prxy.org/Truck/6L_bible_html/html/Page_030.html
http://shop.strictlydiesel.com/store.php/products/60L_FP_Adapter
Column Pod
http://shop.strictlydiesel.com/store.php/products/15010
Autometer Fuel Pressure gauge---Bottom Left (This matches my Dash gauges)
Phantom II Gauges
pop
Edge Insight CTS a great tool, get the expandable probe so if you want to add more to it down the line plus you can run 8 things at one time. Most are Free shipping over $50
http://stealth-automotive.com/index.php?target=products&product_id=1634
http://www.xtremediesel.com/edgeproductInsightCSCTS.aspx
Things you can add down the line like turbo timer & back up Monitor & fuel pressure
The Edge accessory system (EAS) was created with future expandability in mind Product Code: EDG98603
http://www.toyhauleradventures.com/2011/04/edge-products-cts-update-turbo-timer-install/ Product Code: EDG98604
http://www.toyhauleradventures.com/2011/02/insight-cts-monitor-by-edge-products/
http://www.toyhauleradventures.com/2011/10/ford-powerstroke-6-0l-fuel-pressure-monitor-and-low-pressure-fix/
or you can order here Free Shipping
http://www.alligatorperformance.com/part_finder_models.php?mID=6&cID=250
Lot of guys get the ScanGaugeII to me not as good as the Edge because you can not use the pyro a must if you pull
ScanGauge - Trip Computer + Digitial Gauges + ScanTools
Fuel pressure gauge also a must so you know what your pressure is at WOT because pulling you are in WOT alot.
This is what i got for the fuel pressure gauge, it goes into the test port, this is a cool set up gets the sender away from the heat and viberation of the motor.
http://dan.prxy.org/Truck/6L_bible_html/html/Page_030.html
http://shop.strictlydiesel.com/store.php/products/60L_FP_Adapter
Column Pod
http://shop.strictlydiesel.com/store.php/products/15010
Autometer Fuel Pressure gauge---Bottom Left (This matches my Dash gauges)
Phantom II Gauges
pop
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Joined: May 2006
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From: Florida
Well last Saturday bought a toy hauler in SC and headed back to central IA that afternoon with the new to us toy. It's a Heartland, Cyclone 35 foot bumper pull T/H. tag says dry is 9000 lbs, max GVW 13,000.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
Did avoid going back through the mountains went to Atlanta then north out of there. It was certainly all my non tuned truck wanted, she ran good worst fuel was 8.9mpg best was on the flats at 11.5 keeping in mind it was all Lie-O-Meter readings so it probably was a bit less.<o></o>
Observation: You can't use cruise control, it would gouge the throttle at any small grade & downshift twisting the tac to 28 or so did not like that but it could easily maintain speed there, Just made my butt pucker twisting it that tight. So I stopped using cruse except on long flat runs.<o></o>
Question does anyone like Matt or Jody do just transmission tuning only?
And any downside to trans tuning only?
I assume I would need to by an SC-3 tuner to download a trans tune if I can get one but I just am pretty leery about tuning the motor as I think I would be happy with the power I have if I could get it to hang in 5th and mash to go pedal a bit a bit further down without down shifting. Or would just bite the bullet and get a tow tune?<o></o>
Currently pricing a CTS with egt probe & fuel psi sender set up.
Oh yea forgot I installed a sinister collant filter set up prior to leaving on trip changed filter when I got home just have not cut it open to see whats there.<o></o>
Hit me with what you think and what you guys would do.
fficeffice" /><o></o>Did avoid going back through the mountains went to Atlanta then north out of there. It was certainly all my non tuned truck wanted, she ran good worst fuel was 8.9mpg best was on the flats at 11.5 keeping in mind it was all Lie-O-Meter readings so it probably was a bit less.<o
></o>Observation: You can't use cruise control, it would gouge the throttle at any small grade & downshift twisting the tac to 28 or so did not like that but it could easily maintain speed there, Just made my butt pucker twisting it that tight. So I stopped using cruse except on long flat runs.<o
></o>Question does anyone like Matt or Jody do just transmission tuning only?
And any downside to trans tuning only?
I assume I would need to by an SC-3 tuner to download a trans tune if I can get one but I just am pretty leery about tuning the motor as I think I would be happy with the power I have if I could get it to hang in 5th and mash to go pedal a bit a bit further down without down shifting. Or would just bite the bullet and get a tow tune?<o
></o>Currently pricing a CTS with egt probe & fuel psi sender set up.
Oh yea forgot I installed a sinister collant filter set up prior to leaving on trip changed filter when I got home just have not cut it open to see whats there.<o
></o>Hit me with what you think and what you guys would do.
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Well last Saturday bought a toy hauler in SC and headed back to central IA that afternoon with the new to us toy. It's a Heartland, Cyclone 35 foot bumper pull T/H. tag says dry is 9000 lbs, max GVW 13,000.fficeffice" /><O></O>
Did avoid going back through the mountains went to Atlanta then north out of there. It was certainly all my non tuned truck wanted, she ran good worst fuel was 8.9mpg best was on the flats at 11.5 keeping in mind it was all Lie-O-Meter readings so it probably was a bit less.<O></O>
Observation: You can't use cruise control, it would gouge the throttle at any small grade & downshift twisting the tac to 28 or so did not like that but it could easily maintain speed there, Just made my butt pucker twisting it that tight. So I stopped using cruse except on long flat runs.<O></O>
Question does anyone like Matt or Jody do just transmission tuning only?
And any downside to trans tuning only?
I assume I would need to by an SC-3 tuner to download a trans tune if I can get one but I just am pretty leery about tuning the motor as I think I would be happy with the power I have if I could get it to hang in 5th and mash to go pedal a bit a bit further down without down shifting. Or would just bite the bullet and get a tow tune?<O></O>
Currently pricing a CTS with egt probe & fuel psi sender set up.
Oh yea forgot I installed a sinister collant filter set up prior to leaving on trip changed filter when I got home just have not cut it open to see whats there.<O></O>
Hit me with what you think and what you guys would do.
ffice" /><O></O>Did avoid going back through the mountains went to Atlanta then north out of there. It was certainly all my non tuned truck wanted, she ran good worst fuel was 8.9mpg best was on the flats at 11.5 keeping in mind it was all Lie-O-Meter readings so it probably was a bit less.<O
></O>Observation: You can't use cruise control, it would gouge the throttle at any small grade & downshift twisting the tac to 28 or so did not like that but it could easily maintain speed there, Just made my butt pucker twisting it that tight. So I stopped using cruse except on long flat runs.<O
></O>Question does anyone like Matt or Jody do just transmission tuning only?
And any downside to trans tuning only?
I assume I would need to by an SC-3 tuner to download a trans tune if I can get one but I just am pretty leery about tuning the motor as I think I would be happy with the power I have if I could get it to hang in 5th and mash to go pedal a bit a bit further down without down shifting. Or would just bite the bullet and get a tow tune?<O
></O>Currently pricing a CTS with egt probe & fuel psi sender set up.
Oh yea forgot I installed a sinister collant filter set up prior to leaving on trip changed filter when I got home just have not cut it open to see whats there.<O
></O>Hit me with what you think and what you guys would do.
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those are light weights guys lol. i regularly tow 20000+ lbs with my truck no problems.
oh yeah it helps that its a 550 flatbed dump studded , tuned, and running great!
oh yeah it helps that its a 550 flatbed dump studded , tuned, and running great!
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Our 31' 5th wheel is 11,900 loaded. Truck likes to pull it at exactly 2000 RPM which is right around 70 mph. I know that's fast, but it does not like doing less than 65 and feels happiest at the 2000 rpm mark. I have done the same trip a few times at different speeds and I actually get the best mileage at that speed as well. All that is still below the 12,500 weight that the truck is rated for.
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Most I have towed was 65k worth of grain to the elevator with my truck. I have a quadzilla module with a fuel setting and towing setting. I agree with everyone the EGT gauge is a MUST for towing. I run a watchdog that monitors my boost, EGT, Engine temp and also will tell you if you have a code.
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You can't use cruise control, it would gouge the throttle at any small grade & downshift twisting the tac to 28 or so did not like that but it could easily maintain speed there, Just made my butt pucker twisting it that tight. So I stopped using cruse except on long flat runs.....
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