Has anyone used either of these products to help with stiction?? I have read good on both archoil and revx, archoil is cheaper so I'm not sure what to get. Any advise would help

 

Both of them have strengths and weaknesses when compared to each other and effect the injectors in completely different ways. Archoil is better in terms of the cost:benefit ratio but wasn't designed for this specific use, it just so happens to ~work. Some people like HSS too...

 

I have used the RevX and the HotShots. No experience with the other. I prefer the HotShots.

 

We used HSS in my bosses truck and it changed nothing. We tryed rev-x on the next oil change and it helped a bit. No exp with archoil, but I wouldn't hesitate to try it before the $80 rev-x. I think I might start doing a half jug of archoil on every other oil change for pm.

 

Archoil is not going to do anything in terms of PM as it doesn't clean or effectively coat anything. Use it to treat a symptom/problem otherwise don't waste the money.

 

Are you saying AR2300 and AR9300 don't do what they advertise?

AR2300 nano engine cleaner removes all deposits for a more powerful and energy saving engine - Archoil



AR9300 nano ceramic coating, reduce friction, reduce wear, save energy, extend oil drains, extend engine life, gearboxes, nano technology, friction modifier - Archoil

 

There are a lot of different Archoil products. Which do you use for the 6 Liter?

 

Subscribing.

I've been considering the AR9100.
AR9100-Nanoborate, nano technology, friction modifier, friction modifier for engines, gear boxes, transmissions, generators, reduce friction, save energy, double oil drains, stiction, injector stiction, carbon buildup, ford powerstroke, - Archoil

I'm currently running Rotella 15W40 and Rev-X, which a repair shop did for me after replacing some injectors. They believe the Rev-X will help with some stiction in the injectors. There are a lot of reports out there that it has done exactly that. My truck is starting great using the 15W40, but I have been running 5W40 synthetic for some time, until this shop changed it.

The truck is running well, so I'm considering reverting back to conventional 15W, but I'm balking at the cost of Rev-X at every oil change. I am theorizing that I could use the cheaper 15W conventional, and AR9100, and an oil change would still cost less than with the synthetic oil.

What do you think? I like the Rotella T6 synthetic, but I still had an injector fail, even with my impeccable maintenance. So looking for a way to keep the last 4 original injectors in good shape.

 

No, the key word I used was 'effectively'. I've sampled 9100 and in order for 9100 to do what Archoil claims (which is true by the way) you would need to add about 620ml of 9100 to our 15qts of oil as 9100's effectiveness is derived from a common ester (Troy are you paying attention?). So yes, 9100 will do what they say it does and I would use it but unless you add it in sufficient quantities, i.e. concentration, the DLC (a type of surface coating) will be insufficient to effect the injectors. The reason people see a stiction improvement with 9100 after adding only a few ounces is because of the properties of esters not because of any DLC. Adding it for PM is a waste of money because the DLC it creates is going to be far to weak/thin/scattered and break down quickly unless your adding a lot of it (620+ml) as it would be more cost 'effective' to use it to treat a problem then trying using it as a PM. Now if your adding it for PM to keep the injectors clean, then there are far better esters/solvents/etc. out there people can use if cleaning is the desired result as this specific ester is more about creating a DLC than cleaning. Hope that makes sense. I've only heard about people running 9100 and I haven't sampled any 2300 or 9300 so I can't speak to those. 9300 looks to be a grease additive anyway so that isn't even in this realm.

 

620ml = 20oz. They recommend a 16oz treatment, so you are in the ballpark.

It seems the same is true of Rev-X. A single or two treatments, while it may prove a point, it isn't going to correct an issue permanently. You're stuck using it at every oil change if you want to enjoy any benefit. That's why the AR9100 has my attention. At about 1/3 the cost, at every oil change, it is significantly less expensive.

It seems to me that the reduced friction has to be good for injector life. Understood that it is a not residual.

 

Thanks for your input.

I have purchased the Ar2300 and the AR9300. There are a few things I need to do first for the tests I want to do, so I wont have an opinion for a month or so.

 

Where did you purchase the AR9300? I don't see any reports of that being used in diesel engines.

 

Yeah, 16oz is close but keep in mind that 620ml (20oz) is only going to give you just over a 1% concentration (16oz is 20% less) and to be as effective as the inventors of this ester (not Archoil) claim based on test data you'll need a 2-3% concentration to create a quality DLC. 1% in my opinion is good enough to treat stiction because the oil change frequency means the 9100 is being replenished regularly which is why I say it's effective at 620ml but you need a lot more to achieve a quality DLC. The real reason people see improvements from a single bottle of 9100 is because it's an ester not because of the DLC properties. It would take just under 4 bottles of 9100 to create the DLC that the advertising is based on. So buying one bottle of 9100 hoping/relying on the DLC 9100 creates is a waste of money because you can buy much cheaper esters as that's all that's really helping at <1% concentration anyway.

You've obviously got a good grasp on this topic and you're on the right track but like I mentioned above you're really not benefiting from 9100's DLC properties until you add enough to get the concentration high enough so really adding just one bottle at each change is only treating stiction with the generic qualities of esters and there are a lot of much cheaper esters out there if you're only treating stiction based on the generic qualities of esters. It all comes down to the concentration.

Revx works but not for any of the reasons they advertise. Revx wants you to believe it has the DLC qualities of the ester used by Archoil but it doesn't have any of those properties.


P.S. I love the pic in your sig, looks like a spot just south of Cuba, New Mexico (my family owns a ranch that I grew up on in those parts).

 

Could I get you to send me about 4oz of each so I could test it and see what's in it?

 

Talked to Archoil directly.

Here is an e-mail from them.

I can supply you what you need.

For the Ford if a 15 quart system you would clean it with:

AR2300-1-16 Bottle
16oz (Treats 14.25Q)
$ 26.95

This will thoroughly clean in a few weeks/ 1500-3000 miles.

Then treat with AR9300:

AR9300-2oz-3.75g Bottle
Treatment range 15liters-15 Quarts/3.75 Gallons
$ 97.95

This is a once every 2 years or so treatment. 50,000-100,000 miles.


You can call to discuss on Monday if you want.

203-265-5700.

Regards,


David



Give David a call. He is very willing to talk about His products.