Upgrading the Torque Converter
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I re-read the original post and it sounds like the vehicle in question only has a lift and larger tires. No power mods listed. However, your point is still valid...I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the dealer chose to void any potential warranty based on having larger tires. Seems like Ford is far more aggressive lately with warranty denials across the board...
Also his sig said "3" downpipe, 4" MBRP exhaust, PHP 6-position tuner.". You going to make the case that they are like the fuzzy dice and have no effect on the drivetrain?
I have seen techs that take personal pleasure in squealing to Ford about any mods they see so they can deny the warranty. Why? IDK.
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I doubt the flexplate from a 6.0 would fit...very little is interchangeable between the two engines.
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Rig Specs. 2001 Excursion 4x4. 7.3L. 4" Lift and 35s.
So, I am getting a really good rattle from my torque converter. I pulled the inspection cover and saw one nut on my flex plate that had backed off a little. Tightened it up, but still have the noise. The sound is coming from the TC. Its loud at idle and seems to be getting worse.
So, its time to upgrade. Most of my towing will be around 8000lbs or less. So, I want something that will hold up to that. I do plan to install a DP-Tuner in the next couple months as well. But, I doubt I will go over 325HP with this rig. Its my wife's daily driver and most of the time it will be in either Economy mode or Stock mode.
The tranny currently shifts fine and I have no issues with shifting at all. It was installed by Ford at 107K and now has 72K on it. So, I am at 179K on the X. The plan is to replace both the flex plate and the Torque converter with something a little better than stock.
So, what recommendations would you have? I would like to stick with the stock pump if possible, but am not opposed to upgrading if needed. I would just do a BTS or John Wood tranny, but don't have the funds just yet since I just bought this X with cash. Maybe by the end of tax season.
So, I am getting a really good rattle from my torque converter. I pulled the inspection cover and saw one nut on my flex plate that had backed off a little. Tightened it up, but still have the noise. The sound is coming from the TC. Its loud at idle and seems to be getting worse.
So, its time to upgrade. Most of my towing will be around 8000lbs or less. So, I want something that will hold up to that. I do plan to install a DP-Tuner in the next couple months as well. But, I doubt I will go over 325HP with this rig. Its my wife's daily driver and most of the time it will be in either Economy mode or Stock mode.
The tranny currently shifts fine and I have no issues with shifting at all. It was installed by Ford at 107K and now has 72K on it. So, I am at 179K on the X. The plan is to replace both the flex plate and the Torque converter with something a little better than stock.
So, what recommendations would you have? I would like to stick with the stock pump if possible, but am not opposed to upgrading if needed. I would just do a BTS or John Wood tranny, but don't have the funds just yet since I just bought this X with cash. Maybe by the end of tax season.
I didn't design it with lift and tires so you altered it. Now you expect me to repair something that COULD have caused a problem? Really?
Also his sig said "3" downpipe, 4" MBRP exhaust, PHP 6-position tuner.". You going to make the case that they are like the fuzzy dice and have no effect on the drivetrain? I have seen techs that take personal pleasure in squealing to Ford about any mods they see so they can deny the warranty. Why? IDK.
Also his sig said "3" downpipe, 4" MBRP exhaust, PHP 6-position tuner.". You going to make the case that they are like the fuzzy dice and have no effect on the drivetrain?
I have seen techs that take personal pleasure in squealing to Ford about any mods they see so they can deny the warranty. Why? IDK.The PHP is on his '96 F250...
At least that is what I gather anyway...
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More Turbo
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I didn't design it with lift and tires so you altered it. Now you expect me to repair something that COULD have caused a problem? Really?
Also his sig said "3" downpipe, 4" MBRP exhaust, PHP 6-position tuner.". You going to make the case that they are like the fuzzy dice and have no effect on the drivetrain? I have seen techs that take personal pleasure in squealing to Ford about any mods they see so they can deny the warranty. Why? IDK.
Also his sig said "3" downpipe, 4" MBRP exhaust, PHP 6-position tuner.". You going to make the case that they are like the fuzzy dice and have no effect on the drivetrain?
I have seen techs that take personal pleasure in squealing to Ford about any mods they see so they can deny the warranty. Why? IDK.
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More Turbo
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From: Windsor, CO
I think what Joe meant was to purchase the TC that is normally paired with the HD4R100 trans since it's as good as a 6.0 converter but has the correct cover so it will bolt up to a 7.3 flexplate. I don't know if an actual 6.0 converter will work or not...doesn't seem like it would without some modifications...
I doubt the flexplate from a 6.0 would fit...very little is interchangeable between the two engines.
I doubt the flexplate from a 6.0 would fit...very little is interchangeable between the two engines.
Post Fiend
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If you are interesting in 1/4 mile performance or serious off roading, then I am the last guy to listen to for advice. 
In my world, I am interested in towing performance so a lower than stock stall speed seems to be what my trucks like. I think something around 1400-1450 rpm stall would be ideal for city driving or towing heavy loads. Also keep in mind that I have no experience with lifted trucks or oversized tires so what works for me may not work for you. There are a lot of guys on here that have specific experience with bigger tires so hopefully they can provide their insight so you can determine what is best for you.
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More Turbo
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Well I can replace the factory TC for $239. I just would like a heavier duty one if possible. I know I don't plan to do anything with the tranny yet, so maybe the stock TC would be fine until I order up a BTS or John Wood.
Even then, that tranny may be overkill for me.
Even then, that tranny may be overkill for me.
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Well I can replace the factory TC for $239. I just would like a heavier duty one if possible. I know I don't plan to do anything with the tranny yet, so maybe the stock TC would be fine until I order up a BTS or John Wood.
Even then, that tranny may be overkill for me.
Even then, that tranny may be overkill for me.
Overkill in what sense? BTS is not only for racing. My trans is over 3 years old and out of warranty but based on what others have reported, when, not if it breaks. Brian will fix it for FREE. Peace of mind is what I am paying for in terms of a "Forever Warranty".
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More Turbo
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Get that for your truck since you have miles on it and you are not rebuilding the trans.
Overkill in what sense? BTS is not only for racing. My trans is over 3 years old and out of warranty but based on what others have reported, when, not if it breaks. Brian will fix it for FREE. Peace of mind is what I am paying for in terms of a "Forever Warranty".
Overkill in what sense? BTS is not only for racing. My trans is over 3 years old and out of warranty but based on what others have reported, when, not if it breaks. Brian will fix it for FREE. Peace of mind is what I am paying for in terms of a "Forever Warranty".
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More Turbo
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Well I can replace the factory TC for $239. I just would like a heavier duty one if possible. I know I don't plan to do anything with the tranny yet, so maybe the stock TC would be fine until I order up a BTS or John Wood.
Even then, that tranny may be overkill for me.
Even then, that tranny may be overkill for me.
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Call BTS first. IIRC, the waiting time is a month depending on the time.
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I'd get on the BTS waiting list and not spend any more money on this trans if it were me.
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Is the transmission under warranty still? If the previous owner paid to have it replaced, then it should have a 3 year 75k mile warranty that is transferable.
Something to look into...
I have an ATS TripleLock in my F450 and it seems like it does ok.
Ford TripleLok Torque Converter - ATS Diesel
I think it's a little pricey for what you get though...
My F250 has a custom TC made locally, it does really well and was about $900 if I remember correctly...
I went with a stall speed of about 200-300 rpm lower than stock.
Here is a link.
Roadrunner Converters - Phoenix, Arizona Converters - Street, Trip, Towing
Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you will see a few choices. I have the Bad Boy 4 disk TC because I tow super heavy. In your case you can easily get by with the Triple Disk model or maybe even their Tow Master model. Prices seem attractive. If you give them a call they might be able to make a recommendation for your particular application.
You will need the 6 bolt model...
Something to look into...
I have an ATS TripleLock in my F450 and it seems like it does ok.
Ford TripleLok Torque Converter - ATS Diesel
I think it's a little pricey for what you get though...
My F250 has a custom TC made locally, it does really well and was about $900 if I remember correctly...
I went with a stall speed of about 200-300 rpm lower than stock.
Here is a link.
Roadrunner Converters - Phoenix, Arizona Converters - Street, Trip, Towing
Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you will see a few choices. I have the Bad Boy 4 disk TC because I tow super heavy. In your case you can easily get by with the Triple Disk model or maybe even their Tow Master model. Prices seem attractive. If you give them a call they might be able to make a recommendation for your particular application.
You will need the 6 bolt model...