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Originally Posted by NumberDummy View Post
The Fusion/Milan/Taurus/Sable and etc 3.5L is not the same as an Eco Boost 3.5L, only the cid is the same.

I rented a new Mustang ragtop with the Eco Boost earlier this year, put over a 1000 miles on it over the course of 4 days. It ran like a striped assed ape, but....

A Mustang doesn't weigh almost three tons, and obviously will be unable to do the same things as an F150.
The Mustang does not yet offer the EcoBoost; it has the 3.7 liter normally aspirated V6 in it--same as the base engine in the F150. This doesn't do your argument regarding the EcoBoost any good.

My concern with the EcoBoost has been the direct injection, with the resulting problem being carboned up intake valves due to the EGR; there are a couple threads in this forum, one started by me, discussing the issue and showing some photos of a Taurus EcoBoost exhibiting this problem. (DI engines in VW/Audi applications are miserable in this regard.)

Here's a link to the thread I started:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-deposits.html

Note that I WANT Ford and the EcoBoost to be successful, but I don't yet have faith in direct injected engines.

George
 
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Originally Posted by TheWhiteBeast View Post
I have a feeling about this motor. It has all the right stuff to be bullet proof. The days of powdered metal rods, hypueretic pistons and crappy turbos are over, so I would like to believe.

I HAVE A DREAM! Lol.
I'm with you on the confidence level with the EB engine.

But I could have sworn NumberDummy said, "I rented a new Mustang ragtop with the Eco Boost earlier this year, put over a 1000 miles on it over the course of 4 days."

Sorry for getting off track here guys.
 
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TheWhiteBeast View Post
And no, there is no ecoboost in a mustang.
3.7, 5.0 and 5.4 only.
 
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy View Post
You are expecting a 216 cid V6 engine originally designed for/installed in 3,000 lb. Passenger Cars to hold up in an F150 that weighs almost three tons. Maybe it will...maybe it won't. Lets hope maybe it will is the answer.
Those 3,000lbs cars have 1.8L or 2.0L Turbo engines, not 3.5L. And they hold up fine. We have one (1.8L Turbo) with 85,000 miles and not a single problem. Friend has the same, and he just passed 200K miles, no engine issues either.
3.5L is huge for a Turbo charged engine, people are just not used to it yet.
 
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Originally Posted by YoGeorge View Post
The Mustang does not yet offer the EcoBoost; it has the 3.7 liter normally aspirated V6 in it--same as the base engine in the F150. This doesn't do your argument regarding the EcoBoost any good.

My concern with the EcoBoost has been the direct injection, with the resulting problem being carboned up intake valves due to the EGR; there are a couple threads in this forum, one started by me, discussing the issue and showing some photos of a Taurus EcoBoost exhibiting this problem. (DI engines in VW/Audi applications are miserable in this regard.)

Here's a link to the thread I started:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-deposits.html

Note that I WANT Ford and the EcoBoost to be successful, but I don't yet have faith in direct injected engines.

George
Nothing a little seafoam can't fix. I can see the issue though with no fuel spraying the valve.
 
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TheWhiteBeast View Post
Nothing a little seafoam can't fix. I can see the issue though with no fuel spraying the valve.
Good stuff, I keep a can on the shelf.
 
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:58 AM
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to the OP think he has to choose what best suits him which the Ecoboost is getting the best mileage (not by much) and the most power other than the 6.2 so that would be my choice...............and to those of you down talking the ecoboost...i would say wait and see, the 5.0 could be more problematic than the ecoboost.....noone knows, only time will tell
 
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:15 AM
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the 5.0 in mustangs has been melting down the #8 cylinder, of course this is due to afternarket tunes running too lean.
 
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WOW, NumberDummy,

You just shot yourself in the foot with that Mustang remark!
 
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by curtw48 View Post
WOW, NumberDummy,

You just shot yourself in the foot with that Mustang remark!
Must be those 35 years tucked away in the back corner of a dealership. You're in a maintenance field, I am sure you can take a little razzing as I know that I can! No hard feelings involved.
 
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:38 AM
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Maybe they should put the eco-boost in the mustang. I have a 2005 mustang convertible with the 4.0, and it is no slouch. Imagine what that eco-boost could do in it!!
 
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:45 AM
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Be too much competition for the V8, but they are probably going to put the turbo 4 in there.
 
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Originally Posted by curtw48 View Post
WOW, NumberDummy,

You just shot yourself in the foot with that Mustang remark!
Uh huh...when I rented the Mustang from Hertz, the agent said you'll love this new engine, cuz it's the Eco Boost.

I never looked under the hood...so I AM to blame for saying it came with one. This is what I get for believing what the idiot told me. My apologies.

I did drive an F150 with the Eco Boost, the 6.2L and the 5.0L. November 13, 2010 at AutoClub Speedway in Fontana, Ford had a test drive for dealers/select customers.

IB Adrian, who was the FTE Administrator at that time and a former FoMoCo engineer, arranged for SoCal Chapter members to participate.

But, the course was laid out in the parking lot, not on the speedway itself, so it was next to worthless for test driving much of anything. There was a short ES's course, an even shorter drag strip.

But, you did get a free F150 cap...if you filled out a questionnaire.
 
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Old 10-18-2011, 10:01 AM
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I got a free Boss 302 cap for something or another...
 
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:08 PM
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6.2L would be my choice. The long term cost of EcoBoost ownership is going to be much more that some want to believe after the warranty is gone. Intake valve issues due to the DI, turbo's are pricey when they fail (they are mechanical, eventually they will fail), injectors themselves are more then std injectors.
It's a good concept, but I wouldn't want in in a heavy truck since I tend to keep vehicles for a very long time and do my own wrenching when out of warranty. A simple V8 with decent power is the logical choice for me.
These are my opinions and in now way reflect the views of FTE or it's parent company IB. These opinions are my own and if you do not agree, that's ok. This is the good ole USA and you have the right to be wrong

Besides, a V8 is and has always been the best sounding configuration. All 4 and 6cyl engines should be quiet as possible.
 

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