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Old 10-16-2011, 11:11 PM
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54 truck f-350 axle gearing

Ok snivel time again ,I wanna keep up with traffic ,my 5.14 or 5 point something gearing is not letting me enjoy my truck on the highway ,so the question is what else is available for the old timkin axle the parts book only lists 2 choices ..short of changing the whole assembly what is there that the book does not show?? and remember I need to do the front axle too..
 
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Ken - Nothing has been found that I've heard of to raise the final drive ratio on your Timken B150 axles. Here's an old thread on the subject where I also added Chuck Mantiglia's comments on the subject. Stu

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...1955-f350.html
 
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Yah I was kinda afraid this is what was gonna happen..I guess I am gonna concentrate on the body and save her for short runs and stay off the highway ..4.11 would be nice ..but to do both ends..the good news is I get a lot of people smiling and grinning watching her rumble along the road ..so no long runs across the country to see you guy's with her then....
 
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we all know the rear diffs from 48-72 are the same width and the rear spring pads are in the same spot so a rear diff swap wouldnt be that hard to accomplish even for a 3/4 ton , grover got a complete dana 60 with 3.73's from a 70 3/4 ton i had and dropped it right into his 55 . now i'd check around and measure the front from the same years but 67-72 and seeif they're the same in width and track width and maybe you might have to weld some spring pads and shock mounts on but it'd be easier than dinking around with the timkens for now . try fordification . com . the sight is a plethora of info for the 67-72 trucks . i find a lot of useful stuff there even for my 53 .
 
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swapping would be the easy way out ..but I have already committed(should have been committed) to keeping her as stock as possible,new brakes all round stockton rim's to save the widow-makers for show's..the truck as far as I know is the only one like it on the road and still working for her keep..I think I have to accept the fact she is not going to run at 60 miles an hour she won't corner with out creaking and groaning ,If I want to go fast ..I gotta get the T-bird finished...
 
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Originally Posted by 55 f350
we all know the rear diffs from 48-72 are the same width and the rear spring pads are in the same spot so a rear diff swap wouldnt be that hard to accomplish even for a 3/4 ton.

Grover got a complete dana 60 with 3.73's from a 70 3/4 ton i had and dropped it right into his 55. Now i'd check around and measure the front from the same years but 67-72 and see if they're the same in width and track width.
All F100/150's, most F250/350's after 1972 have 37 1/2" wide rear frame rails (behind the cab), why y'all can't use a 9" from a 1973 and later F100/150.

But there are two exceptions: 1973/77 F250 4WD's (High Boys-Dana 60) and 1973/79 F350 Regular Cabs (Dana 70) on the 140" wheelbase...have the same rear frame width (33 1/2") as 1972 and earlier F100/350's.
 
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my problem is ,,she is a factory 4X4 ..Marmon Harrington .. and as a One ton the 9 inch would be the 8 bolt hub's and she is on 6 bolt ..the truck is different in her own right ..and worked hard and put away soaking wet ..the dive line is working well and the body is next to be worked on ..I think my problem is/was trying to keep up with traffic ..and she can't ..not what she was made for..I was hoping for a easy way out without destroying the originality of the truck..but I think the best way is to stay off the highway ..she has earned the back road ..an maybe I should learn to slow down and enjoy what this old truck has to offer ..that is what sucked me in in the first place..she is different .. thanks guy's,,,
 
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'She' is not a "Ford factory" 4X4 since it's a Marmon-Herrington conversion, and...

Ford didn't offer factory installed 4WD in F350's until 1979.
 
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yes Bill ..ford built ..sold through ford dealers ..with an authorized up-grade for ford..just like shelby cobras ..Roush mustangs ..and so many other improvements by so many that Ford never would or could build....
 
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yes Bill ..ford built ..sold through ford dealers ..with an authorized up-grade for ford..just like shelby cobras ..Roush mustangs ..and so many other improvements by so many that Ford never would or could build....
No F100/250 prior to 1959, no F350 prior to 1979 came with factory installed 4WD.

If the customer requested 4WD on these prior year trucks, once the truck left the assembly line, it was shipped to Marmon-Herrington (or whoever) to be converted.

Dealers could also have M-H convert trucks (and cars), but Indianapolis was rather far from either coast, so others also converted the vehicles.

Original Shelby Cobra's, 1965/66 GT350's, GT-40's were assembled at High Performance Motors, Shelby's assembly plant located in an old airplane hanger complex on Imperial Highway south of LAX

Shelby bought AC Aceca's in the UK w/o powertrains, had them shipped to LA LA Land, then converted them to Cobra's by installing FoMoCo powertrains and etc.

In-complete 1965/66 Mustang Fastback's (and a very few ragtops) were shipped to Shelby's assembly plant from the Ford assembly plant in San Jose. Then 'ol Shel converted them to GT350's.

1967/70 Shelby GT350's and GT500's were assembled by FoMoCo in various plants.

"The Deuce" ended all of FoMoCo's involvement with Carroll Shelby in 1969 (he basically fired him due to unlawful GT-40 VIN's Shelby gave USAC). Shelby didn't come "back on board" until recently.
 
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Shelby bought AC Aceca's in the UK w/o powertrains, had them shipped to LA LA Land, then converted them to Cobra's by installing FoMoCo power trains.
The Aceca was the coupe that, to my recall, never got converted by Shelby. Unless as a test mule or otherwise in small quantity. The Ace was the roadster that Shelby converted into the Cobra. The original Ace, when equipped with the Bristol D2 engine, was the AC Bristol. IMHO the best looking British sports car ever produced. Stu
 
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The Aceca was the coupe that, to my recall, never got converted by Shelby. Unless as a test mule or otherwise in small quantity. The Ace was the roadster that Shelby converted into the Cobra. The original Ace, when equipped with the Bristol D2 engine, was the AC Bristol. IMHO the best looking British sports car ever produced. Stu
Ace! I couldn't remember which body style is which, Ace or Aceca.
 
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Dealers could also have M-H convert trucks (and cars), but Indianapolis was rather far from either coast, so others also converted the vehicles.
Besides M-H, there were the generic Napcos that used the same components as used on GMs and Studebakers. Others were Colemans, Fabcos, and the few we've seen that were converted by an unknown company in the northwest.

M-H and Coleman are the only companies listed in my 1952 Hildy's Blue Book of factory approved All Wheel Drive converters. Fabco is there too, but only as related to tandem rear drive axles. As Bill said, most M-Hs were converted at the Indy factory. Chuck has, however, said that some half tons were approved for dealer installation under tight control of the paper trail relating to each conversion. The main production plant for M-Hs was Highland Park, but I have found a few that were done in Chicago and Louisville. Trucks then found their way to the far reaches of the county. I've pulled mine home from Arizona, Idaho (via Oregon), Virginia, and North Dakota. I've also archived a Chicago produced F-3 that was in Alaska. Stu
 
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still ..Ford ..an' this one is mine !!!
 
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My f350 has a b140 rockwell. When I bought it, the rear was at 584. By luck, and I mean LUCK, I was able to buy a carrier from the same type axle with a 5:13 ratio. I run about 55, but it works. I bought a Watson 3 speed auxiliary with 25% overdrive. I plan on installing one day. That will get me some speed. Do you have enough room between the tranny and transfer case to add an auxiliary to yours? That way your not messing with the axles.
 


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