Where is Waldo errrrrr Rick?
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Waldo here...I have to laugh at the drain your water separator every month schedule. I have followed that regimen since the truck was new. I have never had a Water in Fuel message appear on the dash display. The only water I have ever seen from the separator was on this incident. The volume of water would not cover the concave bottom of the used water bottle the dealer used to collect the sample.
Drain away but realize that even meticulous maintenance and no obvious water in your fuel samples will not save your warranty on your HP fuel pump...and the proof that you never had a WIF light will be yours...Not good
Regards
Drain away but realize that even meticulous maintenance and no obvious water in your fuel samples will not save your warranty on your HP fuel pump...and the proof that you never had a WIF light will be yours...Not good
Regards
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Waldo here...I have to laugh at the drain your water separator every month schedule. I have followed that regimen since the truck was new. I have never had a Water in Fuel message appear on the dash display. The only water I have ever seen from the separator was on this incident. The volume of water would not cover the concave bottom of the used water bottle the dealer used to collect the sample.
Drain away but realize that even meticulous maintenance and no obvious water in your fuel samples will not save your warranty on your HP fuel pump...and the proof that you never had a WIF light will be yours...Not good
Regards
Drain away but realize that even meticulous maintenance and no obvious water in your fuel samples will not save your warranty on your HP fuel pump...and the proof that you never had a WIF light will be yours...Not good
Regards
Well I tell you, I will never, ever, buy another truck under thoes conditions.
ken
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Only the Phantom knows the "co-in-key-dink" of that email from ford.
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I'm betting on not a failure of the sensor in the separator but rather on water emulsified in fuel causing corrosion, hence my decision to change from Power Service to Stanadyne. I'm also wondering if there is something about the metallurgy or tolerances that makes the system more suceptible to failure due to corrosion than past systems.
I'm still hanging on to my '03 Dodge Cummins in case I decide to unload my '11 Ford. I know the problems and the expense of fixing various issues with it. The Ford still seems to be a bit of an unknown and I'm getting uncomfortable with the prospect of $12K out of pocket if Ford should happen to decide to not warranty their truck. At least on the Cummins, I can replace the fuel system on that truck for about a 1/3 the cost should catastrophic failure occur. These trucks are getting too complex with EPA regs and perhaps too expensive for the common man to maintain.
I'm still hanging on to my '03 Dodge Cummins in case I decide to unload my '11 Ford. I know the problems and the expense of fixing various issues with it. The Ford still seems to be a bit of an unknown and I'm getting uncomfortable with the prospect of $12K out of pocket if Ford should happen to decide to not warranty their truck. At least on the Cummins, I can replace the fuel system on that truck for about a 1/3 the cost should catastrophic failure occur. These trucks are getting too complex with EPA regs and perhaps too expensive for the common man to maintain.
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So, the bottom line is, if ONE mechanic says that there is evidence of water in your fuel system, you are screwed. Even through you have done everything that Ford has recommended. And even though Ford's water detection systems have not worked, we the customer have to suffer. Even though that the parts of the fuel systems may have been contamended before you got the truck.
Well I tell you, I will never, ever, buy another truck under thoes conditions.
ken
Well I tell you, I will never, ever, buy another truck under thoes conditions.
ken
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Waldo here...I have to laugh at the drain your water separator every month schedule. I have followed that regimen since the truck was new. I have never had a Water in Fuel message appear on the dash display. The only water I have ever seen from the separator was on this incident. The volume of water would not cover the concave bottom of the used water bottle the dealer used to collect the sample.
Drain away but realize that even meticulous maintenance and no obvious water in your fuel samples will not save your warranty on your HP fuel pump...and the proof that you never had a WIF light will be yours...Not good
Regards
Drain away but realize that even meticulous maintenance and no obvious water in your fuel samples will not save your warranty on your HP fuel pump...and the proof that you never had a WIF light will be yours...Not good
Regards
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If I remember correctly from one of the many (many) posts, Rick didn't have near enough water to trip the sensor; 1/16th or over 1 inch below the threshold for a WIF activation.
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Maybe every single Ford 6.7L owner should take their trucks to their respective ford dealers and have their water separator checked to see if it is working correctly. Not sure how many 6.7L owners there are but if we all went and had a service checkup it might get their attention. POWER TO THE PEOPLE 
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Not sure how many truck owners are on the forum but if the numbers were in the 50 thousand rang I think if would!
You no the big three better watch out because if the keep this up toyota is going to get in this game and who knows who will get in next. Not saying lots would go that way but If they build a nice truck with a hino motor in it they would have a solid truck
You no the big three better watch out because if the keep this up toyota is going to get in this game and who knows who will get in next. Not saying lots would go that way but If they build a nice truck with a hino motor in it they would have a solid truck
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Yep fuel sucks but my 7.3, 6.4 ps and 6.7 cummins seem to be doing fine, would like to trade the ram for a 12 6.7 but not after reading post like this. Its not that it happened it's that they aren't fixing it under warranty, not o say they won't in time but it's not right. If he did something to the fuel system with after market parts I would understand. Ford or any manufactory shouldn't be able to void a warranty on something that the owner has no control over. They should figure out the damage and build new one that won't break so easy.
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Yep fuel sucks but my 7.3, 6.4 ps and 6.7 cummins seem to be doing fine, would like to trade the ram for a 12 6.7 but not after reading post like this. Its not that it happened it's that they aren't fixing it under warranty, not o say they won't in time but it's not right. If he did something to the fuel system with after market parts I would understand. Ford or any manufactory shouldn't be able to void a warranty on something that the owner has no control over. They should figure out the damage and build new one that won't break so easy.
AGAIN, it was a bad dealer diagnosis.Could also happen with Dodge,GM,Volkswagon......etc.
Never would have happened to me.
Yes I said that. I have learned, from this scenario don't take your truck to any dealer you don't know......ESPECIALLY if they don't sell DIESEL Trucks!!!
Shane
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For the Record..My 6.7 with 30,000 miles is doing Fine also.
AGAIN, it was a bad dealer diagnosis.Could also happen with Dodge,GM,Volkswagon......etc.
Never would have happened to me.
Yes I said that. I have learned, from this scenario don't take your truck to any dealer you don't know......ESPECIALLY if they don't sell DIESEL Trucks!!!
Shane
AGAIN, it was a bad dealer diagnosis.Could also happen with Dodge,GM,Volkswagon......etc.
Never would have happened to me.
Yes I said that. I have learned, from this scenario don't take your truck to any dealer you don't know......ESPECIALLY if they don't sell DIESEL Trucks!!!
Shane
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I would like to believe that but from what we heard from Rick after he brought it to the new service department is that ford is still not changing there mined after a dealer with a highly well known/experienced mechanic told them it's a warranty issue and they did all work on the truck in the past. I hope this is jot a problem with this fuel system but it sure looks like it's not built to hold up to any abuse.
I feel for Rick, but this situation is Very rare scenario.
SHane