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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 07:36 AM
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Baking Soda (Coolant Flush) ?

Was reading over on another site that you can use Arm & Hammer Baking Soda to flush the cooling system on the diesels. It was also mentioned that it takes a lot longer to do this flush versus the Restore or VC-9 flush.

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is this an effective flush process?

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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 08:14 AM
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Here is the discussion:


Coolant Flush Qestion - TheDieselGarage.com
 
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 08:40 AM
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Just my opinion but..baking soda is alkaline which is good but if you've ever tasted it, it is icredibily salty. I wouldn't put it in my truck. Also Dawn soap you get in the bottle makes a lot of suds. Any detergent for an automatic dishwasher or laundry detergent has effective surfactants that would clean the oil out and rinse away easier on the flush.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Rusty Axlerod
Just my opinion but..baking soda is alkaline which is good but if you've ever tasted it, it is icredibily salty. I wouldn't put it in my truck. Also Dawn soap you get in the bottle makes a lot of suds. Any detergent for an automatic dishwasher or laundry detergent has effective surfactants that would clean the oil out and rinse away easier on the flush.

Great point !! This is why I posted it up to get opinions on this type of flush.


However... if someone did choose to use the baking soda method...... wouldn't it be safe as long as you flush until water runs clear and then use destilled water for final flush & fill?

or

would it still leave a residue in the cooling system?
 
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 09:33 AM
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This is the type if thing that you look back on and say " vc9 would have been way cheaper then all these repairs" that's just my .02!
 
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 09:46 AM
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Oh boy......

Some truly bad science in that post.

NaHCO3 + Al = bad
 
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 10:04 AM
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I guess you could use it to neutralize the acid from the vc9? I would guess it would flush out ok. It would sorta be like the stuff in the bottom of an Alka-Seltzer glass. Salt+water makes a great electrolyte which promotes corrosion. Not sure what the benefit of soda in the cooling system would be.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 10:13 AM
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I would never put baking soda in my cooling system. I was going to say don't confuse baking soda with salt, but after doing some reading, baking soda IS a salt. This is one paragraph from Wikipedia that would prevent me from ever using it.

Sodium bicarbonate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For cleaning aluminium objects, the use of sodium bicarbonate is discouraged as it attacks the thin unreactive protective oxide layer of this otherwise very reactive metal.
I'm not certain but I believe the radiator tubes are aluminum. I'm not sure what other engine parts are aluminum, but I believe some are.

The other problem is that baking soda is chalky, lumpy and sticky when it gets wet. I think it would be very difficult to flush it all out.
 
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There ya go! Clearly a bad idea.
 
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Originally Posted by dchamberlain
baking soda IS a salt.

Yeah, we tend to think of salt as only being NaCl (table salt) but the term salt in chemistry applies to countless combination of acids and bases.

To put it in laymen terms a salt is formed when two elements from either side of the periodic table of elements are combined, (Na is on the left, Cl is on the right) so you can imagine the possible combos.



 
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 01:27 PM
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Bottom line: You have a 15,000 buck motor and your trying to experiment on it with chemicals. Do yourself and your truck a favor and stick with the tried and true methods and chems.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 01:42 PM
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Just use VC-9.
 
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whats vc-9 and where do you get it? whats restore?
 
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Originally Posted by High Binder
Oh boy......

Some truly bad science in that post.

NaHCO3 + Al = bad

We are truly lucky to have someone with you background on this forum. Some of this stuff must be a hoot for you! I never thought I'd see the PTE make an appearance here on FTE. Thanks for keepin us straight!
 
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rusty Axlerod

We are truly lucky to have someone with you background on this forum. Some of this stuff must be a hoot for you! I never thought I'd see the PTE make an appearance here on FTE. Thanks for keepin us straight!

Thanks Rusty, there are some pretty funny ideas popping up from time to time, (the RevX threads are my favorites) but in honesty I really only know my little segment of how things work, most of you guys are the real experts.
 
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