460 swap question
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460 swap question
Hey all, I want to do a 460 swap into my 79 4x4 and was wondering what year engine I should be looking for?
I have a chebby 400sb for sale and just got an offer on a "built 466 out of a 92 shortbox" in trade, what do you think???
I have a chebby 400sb for sale and just got an offer on a "built 466 out of a 92 shortbox" in trade, what do you think???
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Mines out of a lincoln and it has lots of power! 365 hp and 500 ft pnds stock. But i needed to get new brackets because my a/c pump hit my windsheild washer box. I would suggest this as the best motor for power without having to do anything to it. But if you a chance to get a one built up already i don't see why that wouldn't work. I dont know if you know this yet but you need a 390 flywheel and a 351/400m bellhousing
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Whoa There...
Before you get too far there are some significant differences in the Ford 460. All 429's and the earlier 460's were internally balanced engines. (I think it was 1979) Ford changed the 460 design and those later engines were externally balanced.
The externally balanced engines require a different flywheel. They also use a different (weighted) spacer between the crankshaft and the harmonic balancer. All the harmonic balancers are zero balanced.
You must use the correct components. A 390 flywheel is zero balanced and is not compatible with a externally balanced 460 engine.
Before you get too far there are some significant differences in the Ford 460. All 429's and the earlier 460's were internally balanced engines. (I think it was 1979) Ford changed the 460 design and those later engines were externally balanced.
The externally balanced engines require a different flywheel. They also use a different (weighted) spacer between the crankshaft and the harmonic balancer. All the harmonic balancers are zero balanced.
You must use the correct components. A 390 flywheel is zero balanced and is not compatible with a externally balanced 460 engine.
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There may be a few more things to look out for...
In addition to being externally balanced, a 1992 460 will be fuel injected and have a serpentine belt drive. The fuel injection can be a plus if you get the engine controller and harness with the deal, but you've still got to sort out a high pressure fuel pump.
You can also swap to a carb and intake, but provisions for a mechanical fuel pump may not be on the front cover and probably wont be on the timing gear.
I'm not familiar with trying to adapt a serpentine belt drive into one of these trucks, but you may have clearance issues.
Hope that helps.
In addition to being externally balanced, a 1992 460 will be fuel injected and have a serpentine belt drive. The fuel injection can be a plus if you get the engine controller and harness with the deal, but you've still got to sort out a high pressure fuel pump.
You can also swap to a carb and intake, but provisions for a mechanical fuel pump may not be on the front cover and probably wont be on the timing gear.
I'm not familiar with trying to adapt a serpentine belt drive into one of these trucks, but you may have clearance issues.
Hope that helps.
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So should I turn down this offer and try to find a pre 79 460?
Just want this swap to be a straight forward swap without having to buy all sorts of pieces to make it work...
Just want this swap to be a straight forward swap without having to buy all sorts of pieces to make it work...
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Well, the newer engine can be made to work...
However, if you're looking for a more straightforward swap, your best bet is to find a non fuel injected v-belt engine from a truck or van. That way, the front drive accessories should clear your crossmember and steering gearbox.
If you run into a hangup on something, L&L Products does sell kits and components to make everything work, and they do make really nice stuff.
However, if you're looking for a more straightforward swap, your best bet is to find a non fuel injected v-belt engine from a truck or van. That way, the front drive accessories should clear your crossmember and steering gearbox.
If you run into a hangup on something, L&L Products does sell kits and components to make everything work, and they do make really nice stuff.
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All of the serpentine stuff fits just fine. Its what I have on my truck now. I would get the serpintine off of a van though because they have the saginaw power steering pump. Otherwise your stuck with the ford POS
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Well there is about $3000 into the sbc and I know around here a bare block goes for around $500, I think I might pass on this one.
My uncle has a 460 in a 1ton dump mid eighty's I think, maybe a manual trans, anyways he said I can have it if I cut off the dump and stick it to a trailer. It would need to be rebuilt... Would I be any better off??
My uncle has a 460 in a 1ton dump mid eighty's I think, maybe a manual trans, anyways he said I can have it if I cut off the dump and stick it to a trailer. It would need to be rebuilt... Would I be any better off??
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Where are you going to get this 460 and matching tranny?
Ford didn't put a stick behind a 460 until 1983 and they used hydraulic clutches, they're not real easy to find either as they only put the 460 behind the 460 until 87 or 88 when they switched to the ZF5 with integral bellhousing!
Going by the OP's signature though it looks like they have a C6 so it doesn't matter anyway.
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What he says is "built 466" now I don't know what that intails, I thought I read somewhere that you needed to swap an older 460, idk why? Fitment I guess? I don't want to waste our time if this engine isn't what I need...
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Ford didn't put a stick behind a 460 until 1983 and they used hydraulic clutches, they're not real easy to find either as they only put the 460 behind the 460 until 87 or 88 when they switched to the ZF5 with integral bellhousing!
Is this a sought after combo? I'm pretty sure my uncle dump is pre 88 and it is a 460 and 99% positive my brother said it was a standard trans.
Ford didn't put a stick behind a 460 until 1983 and they used hydraulic clutches, they're not real easy to find either as they only put the 460 behind the 460 until 87 or 88 when they switched to the ZF5 with integral bellhousing!
Is this a sought after combo? I'm pretty sure my uncle dump is pre 88 and it is a 460 and 99% positive my brother said it was a standard trans.
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Then tell me why i have a 460 with a np435 and a matching bell housing? Acourding to you that wouldn't exist. Not trying to be snide or anything. I'm just curious. I'm pretty sure you can get an older 460 with a manual trans but I could be wrong.