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Old Jun 21, 2011 | 01:47 PM
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Engine break down hunt

Some of you remember my first engine and how the oil psi dropped to 3 psi within 1k miles before I pulled it.

Well, I think the wound is sufficiently healed for me to address it. I want to start pulling apart the short block to search for the problem. Besides checking the rod and main journals, the rods visually, is there any thing else I should be looking for that could explain the falling oil psi?

When I built this one, I did not have the block, crank, or rods magnafluxed. Also, there was an alignment problem with the second cam journal. I had to ever so carefully 'sand' the bearing to get the cam in.

Any help is appreciated.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2011 | 06:57 PM
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check all the cam bearings. check the oil holes in the crank. check the gally plugs in the back of the block
 
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 02:02 PM
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I'll break it all down. The cam is out and the c. bearings look perfect, holes lining up too. When I have it all stripped, I'll go over the block carefully, and take it and the crank and the rods to have them magnafluxed.

I just want/need to find out what happened.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 02:14 PM
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I haven't been around in a long time so you may have covered this elsewhere. Have you checked that the pressure sender is good?
 
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 02:25 PM
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I haven't been around in a long time so you may have covered this elsewhere. Have you checked that the pressure sender is good?
Yes, I originally suspected the same, so I installed a new AutoMeter manual gauge, only to get the same reading.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 03:00 PM
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The reason I asked if the sender had been tested is that if there is an obstruction blocking the passage the indicated pressure can be falsely low.

What do the crank bearings look like?
 
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 03:37 PM
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The reason I asked if the sender had been tested is that if there is an obstruction blocking the passage the indicated pressure can be falsely low.

What do the crank bearings look like?
This is a bit of a painful subject. It's been about 2 years since the problem. When the psi dropped considerably, I pulled the pan and checked the bearings. They were thrashed after only IIRC 700-1000 miles. Something went through the oil. I replaced them, and for a short time it helped, but then the psi continued to drop. I remember getting 25 psi on the freeway! Checked the bearings again, and they were fine. They all look fine now.

When I changed the bearings, I went with a hv oil pump too.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 05:16 PM
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Did you put the gasket between the pick up and the pump, and the pump and the block? proper torquing and sequence could cause loss of oil pressure too.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by F-250 restorer
This is a bit of a painful subject. It's been about 2 years since the problem. When the psi dropped considerably, I pulled the pan and checked the bearings. They were thrashed after only IIRC 700-1000 miles. Something went through the oil. I replaced them, and for a short time it helped, but then the psi continued to drop. I remember getting 25 psi on the freeway! Checked the bearings again, and they were fine. They all look fine now.

When I changed the bearings, I went with a hv oil pump too.
I fully understand it being a painful subject.

I suspect that you've got something obstructing the oil journals. An ultrasound of the stripped block 'might' find.

My best advise is to take to a shop with a sonic cleaning tank. Then coble a means of testing the oil journals for flow.

I have no doubt you've already come to this conclusion.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 11:44 AM
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this info won't be of any use, since your cam bearings are good, but to share in the pain and maybe give you ideas of where else to look for the trouble...

on the only engine rebuild i've done, a very slightly warped cam ate the cam bearings during the break-in. the oil was silver. the cam was brand new...i'd have never thought you needed to get it checked for straightness.
 
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Originally Posted by SR_Crewchief
I fully understand it being a painful subject.

I suspect that you've got something obstructing the oil journals. An ultrasound of the stripped block 'might' find.

My best advise is to take to a shop with a sonic cleaning tank. Then coble a means of testing the oil journals for flow.

I have no doubt you've already come to this conclusion.
I tend to think that since our reading of oil psi at the gauge reflects the oil's inability to simply flow, a partial blockage in a passage or journal would cause a higher reading, would it not?

A crack, on the other hand, might explain my symptoms.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2011 | 01:14 PM
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A restriction before the sending unit would show low readings, after the sender it would most likely be a higher reading.
A crack in the oil galley is a very possible cause, as well.
 
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Rogue beat me to it.
 
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