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Old Jun 5, 2011 | 05:19 PM
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Best. Mod. Ever!

Two mods, actually. They go hand and hand too, which is even better. Perhaps best of all is there is no logical reason, whatsoever, that they would have any negative effect on your warranty. With that being said I'm sure more than one dealer would hassle you anyway, just based on the appearance alone...

The first mod is Spartan's cold side intercooler pipe, available HERE for only $300. I kid you not when I tell you that outside of tuning your truck, this simple little pipe and the minimum effort required to install it result in one of the highest bangs for the bucks I've ever seen!

Why? Take a looky-loo at the stock charge pipe:



How would you like to breathe through that?! I recall the first time I popped the hood on a 6.4 and saw that and thought "what the hell was Ford thinking when they did that?!"

For comparison's sake, here's a view of Spartan's pipe with a close-up of the section that is slightly crimped to pass through the radiator support:



HUGE difference, no?

So what's the big deal...the bang for the buck? MASSIVE drop in EGTs for starters...using Spartan's Dash Daq we saw up to an almost 150 degree drop in EGTs anywhere idle to WOT on my buddy's '08 F350. Not only that, but the EGTs recover that much faster. Turbo spool/throttle response is significantly increased too...it's also supercharged gasser-like...it's THAT much better!

Installation is extremely straightforward and requires some grinding of the radiator support to clearance the additional diameter of the charge pipe, and account for engine movement. Give it a shot of flat-black rattle can and you'll never know the difference!

The second modification is the PowerStroke Connection's CrankCase Vent (CCV) kit, shown on their eBay Store HERE. This kit sells for $239.95 and is the best solution that I've found to properly vent the CCV and prevent it from puking into the charge pipes, intercooler, turbos, etc. I won't regurgitate their write-up, suffice it to say I was sold the second I saw it. Here's why...



On the left is my stock charge pipe, off of my '10 F250 with about 11K miles. The one on the right is off of my buddy's '08 F350, with over 80K miles...

Guess what my charge pipe is gonna look like when I have 80K miles on it now that I've done the CCV bypass on my truck?...that's a fargin' trick question...it's gonna look about identical to what it does right now at 11K miles!

Here's what it looks like installed on my truck:



Pretty dang clean!

So for about $550, simple tools and less than half a day's work, you can do likewise to your truck and enjoy lower EGTs, quicker spool and throttle response all the while knowing you're not gunking up your intake tract with oily crankcase vapors...

Enjoy!
 
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Old Jun 5, 2011 | 08:10 PM
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I have the same pipe, bought it off a guy on E-bay for 80 bucks!!!!!! And its never been installed....thats going on the truck next, what did you guys use to grind the support?
 
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Old Jun 5, 2011 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by slowmans
I have the same pipe, bought it off a guy on E-bay for 80 bucks!!!!!! And its never been installed....that's going on the truck next, what did you guys use to grind the support?
Nice, you scored!

Just used an air-grinder hooked up to my compressor. It would be a little much for a Dremel and it may be too tight a space to work around with an angle grinder.

You don't have to totally remove the support, just enough to get your grinding tool of choice in there to get the job done.

What are you waiting for?! Get 'er done and report back soonest!
 
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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Those look like they should be the first thing done before an CAI or DPF delete.

thanks for sharing the info.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2011 | 10:46 AM
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I would love to hear what kind of difference it makes on a stock truck. for 80 bones I would test it but for 300 I need a lab rat.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2011 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by caprang
I would love to hear what kind of difference it makes on a stock truck. for 80 bones I would test it but for 300 I need a lab rat.
I'll let you know in a week or two...
 
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Old Jun 9, 2011 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by caprang
I would love to hear what kind of difference it makes on a stock truck. for 80 bones I would test it but for 300 I need a lab rat.
Hear the difference? You're not going to "hear" anything...you mean hear it from other forum members? Whatever..the benefits speak for themselves; the EGT reduction alone is worth it in my book, seeing as how it's arguably the number one killer of diesel motors and their components, particularly turbos.

On a stock truck you still have the DPF choking the life out of the engine, on a deleted truck like mine this seriously streamlines the airflow throughout the entire motor and just helps it breathe that MUCH better...
 
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Old Jun 10, 2011 | 08:22 AM
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I have seen on some other diesel sites where the cold intercooler pipe is less than $200..are they all pretty much made the same? I would think they would be. Some say no grinding needed. Looks like a pretty cheap mod to do and well worth it....
 
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Old Jun 11, 2011 | 09:38 AM
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Ronin, yes I mean hear what people have to say about it on a stock truck. Sounds great on your tuned truck but will a stock truck see realize the same benefits?
It may not lower EGT's as much in a stock tuned truck?
Maybe the death delay is worse? I have no idea, so I tossed out the bait to see if anyone bites. On a stock engine more air isnt necessarily always better. Just put a 1050 CFM carburetor on a bone stock Ford Pinto and see what happens. LOL Im just looking for feedback.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2011 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRed03
I have seen on some other diesel sites where the cold intercooler pipe is less than $200..are they all pretty much made the same? I would think they would be. Some say no grinding needed. Looks like a pretty cheap mod to do and well worth it....
I haven't seen the others but I'd hesitate to say that they're all the same if the one you're looking at doesn't require grinding, which would lead me in turn to believe that it doesn't have as large a diameter as this particular one from Spartan. Hmmm... It is just a pipe after all, if you can get one, ANY one, cheap, grab it!

The grinding really isn't a big deal, at all, and a spritz of rattle-can black leaves no one the wiser...
 
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Old Jun 11, 2011 | 07:10 PM
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Ronin, yes I mean hear what people have to say about it on a stock truck. Sounds great on your tuned truck but will a stock truck see realize the same benefits?
It may not lower EGT's as much in a stock tuned truck?
Maybe the death delay is worse? I have no idea, so I tossed out the bait to see if anyone bites. On a stock engine more air isn't necessarily always better. Just put a 1050 CFM carburetor on a bone stock Ford Pinto and see what happens. LOL I'm just looking for feedback.
I have NO idea how much it would lower EGTs on a stock truck, but all the benefits seen on a modded truck would quite likely carry over to a bone stock one.

The comparison of a Dominator carburetor on a Pinto really doesn't make sense; the carb flows air AND fuel...this pipe is smoothing out the air-flow going into the intercooler. The stock piece is massively restricted right before it goes into the intercooler, which in turn dramatically increases the temperature of that air. I'm no expert on thermodynamics; I just know that it works...

Death delay? Do you mean turbo lag? Are you asking if this would make it actually worse? Quite the opposite, the turbo(s) will spool faster which in turn increases throttle response, not decreases it. I wouldn't assume this is your first turbodiesel truck, but the lag on my 6.0 Excursion before I started tuning it was infinitely more horrific than anything I've experienced on a 6.4, even a stocker...

Make sense...?
 
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 02:59 PM
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nice ..i just had my fab guy look at it im doing this
 
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 05:42 PM
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Did the install yesterday, wasn't too bad did it on about a half hour, truck definetly has less turbo lag and definetly runs cooler, it was well worth 80 bucks!
 
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 05:52 PM
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Maybe I missed it, but where do I get 1? Site? This CCV bypass sounds good!
 
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 06:27 PM
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spartan sells them, I have the one that ronin used also.
 
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