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Old May 23, 2011 | 08:30 PM
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You're original argument was that hydrogen was the future of combustible fuels. Now, apparently we've moved on from that to a form of hydrogen as a fuel for nuclear fusion. Fusion is a great idea and it's a great to see that we're working on it, even though we've been sitting on our duff not doing anything for the last 40 years.
 
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Old May 23, 2011 | 08:39 PM
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How about we somehow melt our trash/human waste down and use it for energy?
 
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Old May 23, 2011 | 08:59 PM
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How about we somehow melt our trash/human waste down and use it for energy?
Supposedly the German's knew how to make all the synthetic, gas, diesel, jet fuel, motor oil, from dead animal wastes, sewage, plant waste, coal and organic garbage that they needed by late 1944........A secret allegedly buried by the Allies.........Sounds like urban myth to me.
 
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Old May 23, 2011 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Old93junk
Supposedly the German's knew how to make all the synthetic, gas, diesel, jet fuel, motor oil, from dead animal wastes, sewage, plant waste, coal and organic garbage that they needed by late 1944........A secret allegedly buried by the Allies.........Sounds like urban myth to me.
Allies lied alot and stole alot from the Germans.

But the Allies had eyes on the Middle East for oil and still do today.....that's why they are there now.
 
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Old93junk
Supposedly the German's knew how to make all the synthetic, gas, diesel, jet fuel, motor oil, from dead animal wastes, sewage, plant waste, coal and organic garbage that they needed by late 1944........A secret allegedly buried by the Allies.........Sounds like urban myth to me.
No secret at all. Google "Fischer Tropsch". It was developed in the 1920's. South Africa used it (with Chevron's help) while they were embargoed a few years back. Oil in the ground is still cheaper to extract than Gas To Liquids synthetic fuels. It does nothing to solve the "Carbon problem" if you buy into the climate change thing, but PLEASE do not turn this thread into a political debate about that subject. Shell already has a plant under construction in Quatar and others are planned by Exxon in Australia. Theoretically, you could use methane from decomposting waste, but underground gas fields are a more convenient source. Once the price of oil stays above $60-70 a barrel PERMANENTLY, this will be a viable alternative. The output is jet, diesel and fuel oil, so it does not require any new technology.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 08:19 AM
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My brother in law is a chief engineer that is working with a commercial company that is refining Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) systems for Automotive usage. Now he could only tell me so much about this, but he said that he speculates CNG will play a major role in the future of automotive energy.
I would have to agree with your BIL. With the USA's plentiful supply of very cheap natural gas and HR 1380, I think CNG will become more important as an automotive fuel in the near future. If public LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) Stations become more prevalent, CNG (derived from LNG) will become much more available and CNG conversions will be more common. LNG conversions will likely be only for heavy duty trucks for the foreseeable future.

I would have to also agree with jimandmandy in that Hydrogen is an impractical transportation fuel. It has a very low energy density and is very difficult to handle. Anhydrous Ammonia is a much better hydrogen carrier and there is much R&D in making it a viable alternative fuel.

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For the record I think man made global warming is total BS and nothing more than a poltical tool that can be used by greedy politicians.
I don't think global warming is total BS. Besides CO2 emissions, I think soot (diesel particulate, coal-fired power plant, etc) emissions are a problem too. In addition to health hazards, soot also has a detrimental effect on our climate. See National Geographic: Melt Zone.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 09:37 AM
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I would have to agree with your BIL. With the USA's plentiful supply of very cheap natural gas and HR 1380, I think CNG will become more important as an automotive fuel in the near future. If public LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) Stations become more prevalent, CNG (derived from LNG) will become much more available and CNG conversions will be more common. LNG conversions will likely be only for heavy duty trucks for the foreseeable future.

I would have to also agree with jimandmandy in that Hydrogen is an impractical transportation fuel. It has a very low energy density and is very difficult to handle. Anhydrous Ammonia is a much better hydrogen carrier and there is much R&D in making it a viable alternative fuel.



I don't think global warming is total BS. Besides CO2 emissions, I think soot (diesel particulate, coal-fired power plant, etc) emissions are a problem too. In addition to health hazards, soot also has a detrimental effect on our climate. See National Geographic: Melt Zone.
Very interesting read. Thanks for the article! This is the first I have heard of NH3 Combustible fuel. It'll be intresting to see how that turns out.
 
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