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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 03:57 AM
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Hmmm!!!! Sounds like there needs to be changes made to the way yours regens.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 07:00 AM
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I had the complete PCM replaced about a month ago. It was replaced per Ford. I do know that they used the latest update. The "cleaning exhaust filter" stays on for about 3 seconds and then goes off. When it is finished, the display will blink off then on and its is finished. I dare to say that if your "cleaning exhaust filter" message is staying on, that it is either not the latest flash or it just did not take. Personally, I preferr the message to say on. Reason being, if its in regen, I usually drive it till it is finished, now, unless you are watching the display at about the 12 minute mark, you do not know what is going on.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 07:53 AM
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This reflash is for ALL '08-'10 6.4s. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, my '10 is a late build and it still falls under the notice.

NOT getting this reflash done will NOT have an effect on your warranty (for those concerned) until March 31, 2012. After that they can deny warranty work for those affected components if they can tie the failure to something that would have been covered by the reflash. And they will, don't doubt it for a minute.

However, if you bring your truck in for anything, and the reflash hasn't been done, they're going to do it, period, whether you like it or not, so fair warning.

For those with aftermarket tuners right now only the H&S and Spartan appear to have it handled, Edge, SCT, and some others do not so if you return your truck to stock to bring it in for the reflash and your tuner's not up to speed it's gonna be worthless until the tuner's firmware/software is updated, so you might want to wait, or not bother doing it all...

It looks like this reflash is potentially a not so well thought out plan to stop the bleeding from warranty work. Keeping in mind that a relearn is necessary for the transmission to shift properly, some of the early adopters of the reflash seem to be having driveability issues that may or may not be attributable to the reflash. Only time will tell.

March 31, 2012 is a long way off, and the way things are going, you might wanna hold off as long as you can...!
 
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry NCKS
Hmmm!!!! Sounds like there needs to be changes made to the way yours regens.
Yeah, it's in the latest DPF Delete tune
 
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 03:06 PM
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I had the recent PCM recall completed as well and just went through my first regen. The "cleaning exhaust filter" comes on for a couple seconds and then goes off. A notification comes up when the regen is completed, but it does not stay on the whole cycle anymore. It is not really an issue for me because I have the BANKS IQ so I can monitor when I am in Regen and when the cycle is completed.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry NCKS
Maybe they restored the constant message with this new flash? How 'bout all the rest of y'all that have the latest flash and have had a regen? Anybody been there and done that without the message staying on 'til the job is complete?
Had my 2010 flashed two weeks ago and it just went through a regen and the message does not stay on it came on for a minute or so and that was it.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronin 5729
This reflash is for ALL '08-'10 6.4s. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, my '10 is a late build and it still falls under the notice.

NOT getting this reflash done will NOT have an effect on your warranty (for those concerned) until March 31, 2012. After that they can deny warranty work for those affected components if they can tie the failure to something that would have been covered by the reflash. And they will, don't doubt it for a minute.

However, if you bring your truck in for anything, and the reflash hasn't been done, they're going to do it, period, whether you like it or not, so fair warning.

For those with aftermarket tuners right now only the H&S and Spartan appear to have it handled, Edge, SCT, and some others do not so if you return your truck to stock to bring it in for the reflash and your tuner's not up to speed it's gonna be worthless until the tuner's firmware/software is updated, so you might want to wait, or not bother doing it all...

It looks like this reflash is potentially a not so well thought out plan to stop the bleeding from warranty work. Keeping in mind that a relearn is necessary for the transmission to shift properly, some of the early adopters of the reflash seem to be having driveability issues that may or may not be attributable to the reflash. Only time will tell.

March 31, 2012 is a long way off, and the way things are going, you might wanna hold off as long as you can...!
Yeah, I read that the same way but I think it's a bluff. If they really intended to cancel warranties they would have sent registered letters. Absent a registered letter they have no case and they know it. I've had mine done but if I hadn't wanted to I wouldn't have worried about the letter. Our postal service is notoriously inept and everybody knows it. Given the money that's involved with some of these major repairs nobody is gonna take a cancelled warranty without a fight. At least I wouldn't.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 04:32 AM
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I posted a couple of weeks ago that my truck had erratic (harsh) shifting after the flash was done and was told to give it time to 're-learn'. Still had the same problem. Took it back to the dealer and had the new flash re-done as Senix suggested. All is good so far.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 04:59 AM
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Glad it is working better now for.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by golfmedik
I posted a couple of weeks ago that my truck had erratic (harsh) shifting after the flash was done and was told to give it time to 're-learn'. Still had the same problem. Took it back to the dealer and had the new flash re-done as Senix suggested. All is good so far.
Hey I forgot to mention that if you want to see if your regen is still in progress or if it has completed, all you need to do is hit your info button and then hit reset it will cycle through all your systems and the last item will be the regen if it is still in progress. Once the regen is complete it will drop off the list. It is an easy way to make sure that the regen is complete.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 06:51 AM
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Yeah, I read that the same way but I think it's a bluff. If they really intended to cancel warranties they would have sent registered letters. Absent a registered letter they have no case and they know it. I've had mine done but if I hadn't wanted to I wouldn't have worried about the letter. Our postal service is notoriously inept and everybody knows it. Given the money that's involved with some of these major repairs nobody is gonna take a canceled warranty without a fight. At least I wouldn't.
Excellent point, they'd have to prove that you received the letter to begin with, and the only way to do that is with a registered/certified letter...I'm not a lawyer and I try not play one on the intrawebz!

Some dealers can be real bullies though and as I said previously (in another thread I think...?) once they key your VIN into OASIS and void your powertrain warranty it takes and act of the Almighty himself to reinstate it.

I'm gonna take a long pass on this one and wait it out. The only thing that sucks is that if I take it in for service for anything else they're gonna flash it, no matter what I tell them...
 
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 08:31 AM
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. The only thing that sucks is that if I take it in for service for anything else they're gonna flash it, no matter what I tell them...
It's a violation of federal law (anti virus / spyware) to install any software on any computing device without the consent of the owner of the device. A vehicle PCM/ECM is a computing device.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 09:58 AM
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It's a violation of federal law (anti virus / spyware) to install any software on any computing device without the consent of the owner of the device. A vehicle PCM/ECM is a computing device.
That's all fine and dandy like sour candy but doesn't help the increasing number of owners that specifically told their dealer NOT to reflash their truck, some went as far as to tape off the OBD port and label it "DO NOT FLASH" and had it done anyway, leaving some of those owners with useless tuners that don't recognize the new strategy...

You'll have about as much luck arguing that little tidbit as you would trying to argue the Moss Magnuson Warranty Act with your dealer as they key in your VIN into OASIS to void your powertrain warranty because you installed a completely legal, CARB/EPA compliant DPF-back exhaust...'cause that hasn't happened to anyone either...
 
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronin 5729
That's all fine and dandy like sour candy but doesn't help the increasing number of owners that specifically told their dealer NOT to reflash their truck, some went as far as to tape off the OBD port and label it "DO NOT FLASH" and had it done anyway, leaving some of those owners with useless tuners that don't recognize the new strategy...

You'll have about as much luck arguing that little tidbit as you would trying to argue the Moss Magnuson Warranty Act with your dealer as they key in your VIN into OASIS to void your powertrain warranty because you installed a completely legal, CARB/EPA compliant DPF-back exhaust...'cause that hasn't happened to anyone either...
Absent some agreement between the parties to the contrary federal laws have to be enforced by feds. That's why the sheriff can't come by and audit your federal taxes. Usually the law says something like the justice department will enforce this law/regulation. Anyway, I doubt the DOJ has a budget to go after Ford for changing our truck computers. Probably more focused on someone hacking the DOD or white house computers.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronin 5729
That's all fine and dandy like sour candy but doesn't help the increasing number of owners that specifically told their dealer NOT to reflash their truck, some went as far as to tape off the OBD port and label it "DO NOT FLASH" and had it done anyway, leaving some of those owners with useless tuners that don't recognize the new strategy...

You'll have about as much luck arguing that little tidbit as you would trying to argue the Moss Magnuson Warranty Act with your dealer as they key in your VIN into OASIS to void your powertrain warranty because you installed a completely legal, CARB/EPA compliant DPF-back exhaust...'cause that hasn't happened to anyone either...
the engine mgmt device inside the truck doesn't belong to the user, it belongs to ford (the contents and use of said device).. this is the same as whats inside your TV or DVD player. its the VENDORS device (notice I didn't say 'computer') It is NOT a general purpose 'computer' that you use for your own purposes. (calculate taxes, write a document, browse the web).. the device you MIGHT use for those purposes is completely separate, in the dash, 'nav' unit style.

so, they (ford, gm, vw, whoever) do NOT need your permission to update THEIR device. Same as if you took your tv in for repair and they changed the ROM chip without asking (or maybe even telling) you.

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