I've watched the videos over and over & for the sake of curiousity, have compared all the creature comforts & bells & whistles between the 2 trucks & even compared the GMC Denali's options against the options my truck has, & IMHO, I feel my F250 Lariat which is fully loaded with every possible option for the 250, blows away the Chevy & GMC.
As for the acceleration tests....the Chevy being only 7 tenths of a second faster...with my limited knowledge, I tend to attribute that to the lower gearing of the Chevy. Was the Ford running the same gearing as the Chevy?, or was it running 3.31's or 3.55's?

Rear End Sag....well......touche

In any case when all the options between the 2 trucks are compared, for the money and everything you get, I feel the Ford definitely comes out on top.

I certainly do not do any type of major towing....I bought my truck because I saw it & I liked everything it offered, especially all the bell's and whistles.

R/
Will

 

on the curious note.....any reason why the altitude acceleration video is now a "Private" video?

 

ok my bad, was looking at the wrong video, oh well

 

Maybe Ford beat Chevy in the reruns.


Joe

 

Haha... I know I'm buying the underdog (so everyone says), but in the repetitive test drives and endless hours of research, I really liked the Dodge package vs. everyone else. I still love the Ford trucks, but I couldn't get near the price/options on any trim of Ford that I got with the Ram.

I advise anyone that criticizes the competition to go drive them. Not just for a 10 minute joyride through the suburbs, but find a dealer that would let you take one for an hour. Thats what I did, and a Ram was the outcome.

 

Good luck with that! Hope it works out.

 

Congrads on the new ride since I think all three of the brands have there advantages/disadvantages (I'm not brand loyal in any way). Dad has a 94 Ram 3500 dually he bought used with 540000 that now has 625000 miles and the truck is still holding up pretty well despite the "talk" around here that all others brands are "junk". I had a 2002 F-250 (sold) where I replaced the turbo, auto transmission, rear end, t-case, CPS, and glow plug all before 100,000 miles. My job 2 2011 F-350 now has the CEL and transmission issues with approximately 5000 miles. So needless to say they all have their problems. In fact if Ford can't fix these transmission issues to my satisfaction I may consider joining you on the "dark side".

My two cents...

 

I have to agree, I had a 97 ps good truck, and I have owned plenty of GMC'S. In my honest opinion, I feek that the duramax/allison combo can't be beat. Gm is all new chasis, suspension and breaks which were their downfalls to a point in the past. I can't complain at all about my previous dmax. 150k no major issues. Replace a turbo and a fuel pump at 125k, egr valve went on it just before I traded it. I believe my mods are what caused my turbo and fuel pump to go. Factory brakes and front end replaced at a 115k. Oh and did I mention this truck plowed snow from day one.

I went ford this time because I liked the truck better. Better interior, more bells and whistles and more room for my 12 year old who is already 5'10" and growing.

Overall they all make good trucks, but like I said the DMax/Allison can't be beat.

 

this is a reply i posted on a chevy forum : Diesel Place: Chevrolet and GMC Diesel Truck Forums and i cant believe i typed as much as i did because i dont even think i willingly spent as much time typing in college as i did typing this post but it was worth it hahaha but here it is, what do ya think


well heres my 2 cents on these testing videos, and im not talkin sh**, just simply backing up my opinion. these three major trucks, dodge, ford and chevy have their pros n cons. its obvious that whatever company, ford, dodge or chevy makes commercials about their trucks theyre guna show nothing but the positives about their truck and negatives about everyone elses, its classic marketing. we know this by viewing these chevy videos and viewing the ford videos, dodge hasnt came out with any yet but im sure they will once the H/O cummins comes out. obviously chevy nailed ford with frame twist and acceleration. but my first question is who actually drives through a ditch with 3,000# of payload that will actually lift one front and back tire off the ground? id like to see a video of it in a real life situation, im sorry. and on paper ford says their payload/ towing top chevy and so does their MPG. i drove 98 ford ranger till it racked up 250,000 miles and the tranny went out cause i beat the crap out of it and towed trailers that i shouldnt have towed with a little 4 banger and decided that it wasnt worth the money on that little truck to replace the trany. so i looked into these new trucks.ford has definately had their fair share of fail in the past with the 6.0 and some 6.4 ( some like their 6.4 and some hate them ) but so has chevy, my buddy has a 04 manual dmax C/C flat bed that he uses on the farm. at 40,000 he replaced the clutch and injectors. i also have a friend with a 6.0 that he has had problems with since almost day 1. the new '11's are having problems too but i can tell you by reading this forum and a ford forum, there are a lot more 11' dmax problem threads then on the fords, if u want to see for urself, go to (2011 6.7L Ford Diesel - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums) and read up. another guy i know that bought a 11 dmax 2500 srw and has been to the dealer 3 times for DEF problems that hasnt gotten over 9mpg driving around. when these new '11 trucks came out, we had a major power change in both trucks. ford came out with the new bigger motor, that chevy came out and topped so ford came back and beat it, on paper according to the chevy in these videos. dodge did nothing. so that lead me to test driving the '11 dmax and the '11 ford. both the trucks were not top of the line interior/ exterior, they were just 4 door diesel 4X4 2500, and f250 series. but i have seen the top of the line chevy and ford trucks and in my opinion ford is so far ahead in the appearance category in exterior and interior. chevy says they made their truck interior to resemble a sedan (why they want the truck interior to look like a sedan i dk). now to the overall ride of the truck while driving. obviously after watching these videos, ford has weaker springs that cause it to sag more then the chevy when loaded on a trailer. but also, the ford has a much smoother ride then the chevy which makes it more comfortable to drive. now when it comes to acceleration chevy also wins by about 7 tenths of a second in the video, but if people want to go 0-60 in 4 seconds, they should buy a corvette or shelby. i was impressed with the chevy in many aspects, including the dmax allison combo and also that they have been together a lot longer then this new 6.7 and their new 6r140 transmission. and i know no one on this forum wants to hear it but a C frame is most definately better then a fully boxed frame. if it wasnt, every semi would have a fully boxed frame, but they dont. but after driving both of these trucks and finding pros and cons of each truck, i went with a 6.7l powerstroke f250 lariat crew cab 4X4 that has been averaging over 15mpg. i found that the lariat package is so much better in apperance then the denali, and that isnt even fords top of the line. i know i wouldnt ever be driving through a ditch lifting tires off the ground with over 3,000 # of payload and i wanted a far more superior ride then the chevy had to offer. when i was willing to spend $59,000 on a truck, which i did i wanted one that had the most comfort, looks and ride, not one with a fully boxed frame that is shown in tests that people wont use in real world experiences and that wont crack when over loaded. im not guna lie, chevy has one hell of a nice truck and does exceed ford in a few aspects. but ford out did chevy in many aspects too that won my sale over and also over 50% of the truck market today that went to ford. now some day when chevy has a truck that wins me over, i will be more then willing to spend $60k on their truck but it hasnt happened yet. i cant believe i just typed this much haha but i just wanted to give my 2 cents in these videos, as did you all above me in ur posts.

 

my family is deversified in what we own. i have 2006 ford, my brother 2009 gmc d max, my other brother 2009 gmc 1500. the fords are built to work out of just like they have always been. how many remember the sagging doors in 90s gm trucks. a ford can take the abuse during the wk and still look good on friday night. both brothers gmc's have had aliments done once or twice in less than 100000 miles while my ford has 200000 miles and tires still wear like new. now one day ball joints will need replacing but not now. i would rather rebuild a solid axle front end than ind. sus. any day. but it all comes down to personal pref.

 

This entire series of comparisons has simply validated what I originally thought back when PUT.com posted their first comparison. The one where they picked GM as the winner by 1/2 point. There was a long thread at rvnet about this latest commercial. I posted this there:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

OK now were the heck is Rick to defend the SD? Oh Rick can you come out and play?

And why was the Ram not included in ALL the tests? Kind of makes you think GM knew the Ram would kick their butt. Can't wait for the HO to hit the streets.

Don


I ignored this thread at the beginning because this is advertising, not comparison testing. It was posted on FTE so I was aware of the content. I only started reading this thread today beginning on page 4 because I noticed a title change. I read it all a few minutes ago and see you were looking for me.

This discovery of "doctoring the results" via video editing only substantiates my original opinion of all these so called comparisons. My initial statement when the first "comparison" was published by these same people was "I do not read these comparisons. Too many subjective variables". My second comment was something about getting sucked into the abyss...somewhat prophetic

Subsequent articles posted on the put.com website have only increased my skepticism of the comparison process. If this got past them, what else have they also missed? This certainly raises a question of credibility. They did not write the report so they are not responsible for the contents. They did publish it on their website and are responsible for the added distribution of misleading information.

This verification of my original position has made me return to a position of "who cares". None of this information is critically important to 90% of the purchasers of any one brand of these trucks. If you fall into the 10% who need the specific capability that one truck excels over the other, than your choice was simplified. Keep in mind though, the glaring video mistakes and the blatant omissions in the production of this comparison may have omitted results in another area that were just as important to your purchase decision. Otherwise, choose your truck based on what your needs are, the quality of the dealer and which truck works best for you. The brand will not matter, they all will do the job.

Regards

 

I like at the end of the frame twist video he says "i will take the chevy with IFS" and i am thinking to my self that probably took most of the twist compared to fords axle.

ANd for passing the semi whos to say they were farther behind the semi when getting to the cone, when most people pass they get right on there a$$ then go around them you dont switch lanes a 100 yards back.

Oh and i dont think ford will get away from a c frame way easier to add a box, or salt spreader whatever to chasis cab with c frame, If boxed were so much beter semis woud have them.

 

I've seen several sets of these types of videos (Ford 150 and SD) and now these GM ones. From an engineering/scientific standpoint, they make absolutely no sense.

In previous renditions (both Ford) the competitors vehicles where in different gears when the passing tests were started (example, in the SD version the Dodge was in 6th and Ford was in 4th, you could see it during the in-cab shots). It's really easy to fake a passing event. And here's the thing, if you're driving a fully loaded trailer behind a pickup, don't pass the 18 wheeler in on-coming traffic. That's just plain STUPID.

As far as the other "twist tests." Yes, Ford has some with the 150 showing the sway under loading and now GM has the back of the truck drooping. So what? The question is can the truck safely haul the 2,400 lb payload? And the answer is yes, across the board.

Now, I always love the towing tests they do. In the Ford 150 series, they are touting the "active sway control." (If you aren't familiar with ASC, it is designed to prevent trailer sway when "you have negative tongue weight.") First of all, it's a POINTLESS technology; learn to trailer right or don't. Anyway, during the Dodge test, you can clearly see the driver rocking the steering wheel from side to side, which you aren't supposed to do during trailer sway.

And now we see 10,000 lb trailer with ONLY 400 lbs of tongue weight. That's insane. You cannot safely tow that anyway. Combining the trailer with 2,400 lbs of payload makes the F250 over-weight. So, where's the police writing the driver an over-weight ticket? I like how they cleverly left that out.

The point is, all of these "tests" are in fact not scientific. Where are the controls? The test protocols are neither standardized or published. The tests are never repeated, and results are not available, publicly, in reputable trade journals.

And on top of all of that, the tests don't actually tell you anything about the vehicle. Like, I don't know, how is the motor built. What's the story on the transmission. Can a consumer, with limited knowledge, end up in a very dangerous situation with the vehicle, say carrying MORE than the rated payload offroad in a place with the vehicle was clearly not designed to go. At the end of the day, it's your money, buy the truck you like and feel comfortable with.

Me, I only drive manuals, guess I know which truck I'm buying next.

Sorry for the long post, this marketing "science" really bothers the Mechanical Engineer in me.

 

well...if your going to buy a new truck with a manual transmission, the mechanical engineer in you better get your butt over to the Dodge dealer to get one of those Dodge's quite soon. The new HO Cummins powered Dodge only comes with an automatic transmission. The current automatic being used by Dodge is not up to the task.

The new HO version will become the de facto standard by default...who wants the old outdated low powered version in their shiny new Dodge. Even lower manual transmission sales numbers than the pitiful numbers being sold now will ensure the death of the manual in a Dodge as well...but if you hurry, you can own one...

Regards

 

I am glad I bought my F350 dually 4x4. Great truck but since you mentioned the exhaust brake I have to strongly disagree. I bought the truck to tow and tow heavy, I believe a well functioning exhaust brake is a necessary safety issue. Nowadays there is no reason to not have such an option on a truck with with a GCWR of 30,000 lbs. I would have gladly paid additionally for a functioning exhaust brake. I realize we all use these trucks differently but for those us that tow a lot and heavy this was a big oversight with Ford...still love the truck tho.....jmho