DPF Physical Cleaning
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I would like to point out that in my OP that I referred to the manual and what it said. I don't understand a post like yours? Maybe on "The Diesel Stop" that would be acceptable.
Anyways, what I'm really looking for is info pertaining to when you have to clean it (120,000 mi apparently) and what method is going to be used. The manual is confusing on this. Will a local Ford dealer have the DPF cleaner? Doubtful. If not, what are your options? Send in your DPF for cleaning at a facility thus leaving your truck down for a week or so. Or will there be a replacement of the DPF with a ReMan? The cost of one of these has to be huge seeing as one for our Class 8 trucks averages in the $5,000-$10,000. The manual sounds as if they will remove your DPF, and reinstall a new one.
I'm excited to see what Paul has for us on this subject. No telling how much Ford spent on DPF research for the Super Duty.
In the meantime here is a Wikipedia artice on the DPF (yes, some info is wrong)
Diesel particulate filter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anyways, what I'm really looking for is info pertaining to when you have to clean it (120,000 mi apparently) and what method is going to be used. The manual is confusing on this. Will a local Ford dealer have the DPF cleaner? Doubtful. If not, what are your options? Send in your DPF for cleaning at a facility thus leaving your truck down for a week or so. Or will there be a replacement of the DPF with a ReMan? The cost of one of these has to be huge seeing as one for our Class 8 trucks averages in the $5,000-$10,000. The manual sounds as if they will remove your DPF, and reinstall a new one.
I'm excited to see what Paul has for us on this subject. No telling how much Ford spent on DPF research for the Super Duty.
In the meantime here is a Wikipedia artice on the DPF (yes, some info is wrong)
Diesel particulate filter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I would like to point out that in my OP that I referred to the manual and what it said. I don't understand a post like yours? Maybe on "The Diesel Stop" that would be acceptable.
Anyways, what I'm really looking for is info pertaining to when you have to clean it (120,000 mi apparently) and what method is going to be used. The manual is confusing on this. Will a local Ford dealer have the DPF cleaner? Doubtful. If not, what are your options? Send in your DPF for cleaning at a facility thus leaving your truck down for a week or so. Or will there be a replacement of the DPF with a ReMan? The cost of one of these has to be huge seeing as one for our Class 8 trucks averages in the $5,000-$10,000. The manual sounds as if they will remove your DPF, and reinstall a new one.
I'm excited to see what Paul has for us on this subject. No telling how much Ford spent on DPF research for the Super Duty.
In the meantime here is a Wikipedia artice on the DPF (yes, some info is wrong)
Diesel particulate filter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anyways, what I'm really looking for is info pertaining to when you have to clean it (120,000 mi apparently) and what method is going to be used. The manual is confusing on this. Will a local Ford dealer have the DPF cleaner? Doubtful. If not, what are your options? Send in your DPF for cleaning at a facility thus leaving your truck down for a week or so. Or will there be a replacement of the DPF with a ReMan? The cost of one of these has to be huge seeing as one for our Class 8 trucks averages in the $5,000-$10,000. The manual sounds as if they will remove your DPF, and reinstall a new one.
I'm excited to see what Paul has for us on this subject. No telling how much Ford spent on DPF research for the Super Duty.
In the meantime here is a Wikipedia artice on the DPF (yes, some info is wrong)
Diesel particulate filter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Don't be too hard on young Tom. He was jabbing at me. Inside joke sort of...but I got him back....na na na na na na ...I did like your jab at TDS. I have almost stopped going there. Powerstrokenation is worse. There was a fist fight call out there the other night.
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Don't be too hard on young Tom. He was jabbing at me. Inside joke sort of...but I got him back....na na na na na na ...I did like your jab at TDS. I have almost stopped going there. Powerstrokenation is worse. There was a fist fight call out there the other night.
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Don't be too hard on young Tom. He was jabbing at me. Inside joke sort of...but I got him back....na na na na na na ...I did like your jab at TDS. I have almost stopped going there. Powerstrokenation is worse. There was a fist fight call out there the other night.
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You asked this:
And I took the time to take a screenshot, edit it, upload it, and post it here so you could see exactly what the manual said on the subject. The manual is pretty clear about this, refers to cleaning at 120,000 miles and possibly replacement at 250,000 miles.
And now I'll stop with the off-topic rambling...
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That's not easy for some of us! 
I got a bit too worked up over it, and I have to admit I probably shouldn't have posted that last one.
I got a bit too worked up over it, and I have to admit I probably shouldn't have posted that last one.
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Everyone needs to take a deep breath, crack open a bud (my preference, no, not bud light) or jack, rocks, splash of water (my other choice). I need some time to parse the data and get something posted with data that won't cause more confusion.
For those of you that need a quick fix, 10,000 miles per quart of oil consumption, which is on the low side, data is showing closer to 15K miles per quart, add in the ash in diesel fuel and you end up with something closer to approx. 300K+ miles. for the "typical" user before there's enough delta in back-pressure across the DPF sub-strait to even get worried about. In between, there's no performance loss as the pressure drop is insignificant.
Based on the fleet test data, and data gathered from Southwest Research, I wouldn't lose any sleep about it. There will be an anomaly or two, but in general, the system is more robust that I would have anticipated, which is a good thing to be sure as I'm as skeptical as anyone.
You should also be aware that from a customer point of view, the "torpedo" as we call it, the all in one aftertreatment system has been released to be serviced separately. Meaning, that if and when such a time occurs that a DPF needs to be replaced, you can obtain a service kit for repair verses replacing the entire assembly. It's not as elegant as some of us would have liked, but it serves the purpose at a significantly reduced cost per repair. Note that this is an out of warranty repair option designed specifically for the customer, solely for the purpose of keeping repair costs at a minimum. Yep, believe it or not, we do actually think of these things. Not being sarcastic by any means, just stating what we believe in.
As for the cleaning itself, that will have to wait until I can post some of the information I have. These systems have been around for a long time, however, just recently applied to these truck applications.
Hope this helps...
-Paul
For those of you that need a quick fix, 10,000 miles per quart of oil consumption, which is on the low side, data is showing closer to 15K miles per quart, add in the ash in diesel fuel and you end up with something closer to approx. 300K+ miles. for the "typical" user before there's enough delta in back-pressure across the DPF sub-strait to even get worried about. In between, there's no performance loss as the pressure drop is insignificant.
Based on the fleet test data, and data gathered from Southwest Research, I wouldn't lose any sleep about it. There will be an anomaly or two, but in general, the system is more robust that I would have anticipated, which is a good thing to be sure as I'm as skeptical as anyone.
You should also be aware that from a customer point of view, the "torpedo" as we call it, the all in one aftertreatment system has been released to be serviced separately. Meaning, that if and when such a time occurs that a DPF needs to be replaced, you can obtain a service kit for repair verses replacing the entire assembly. It's not as elegant as some of us would have liked, but it serves the purpose at a significantly reduced cost per repair. Note that this is an out of warranty repair option designed specifically for the customer, solely for the purpose of keeping repair costs at a minimum. Yep, believe it or not, we do actually think of these things. Not being sarcastic by any means, just stating what we believe in.
As for the cleaning itself, that will have to wait until I can post some of the information I have. These systems have been around for a long time, however, just recently applied to these truck applications.
Hope this helps...
-Paul
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[FONT=Arial]For those of you that need a quick fix, 10,000 miles per quart of oil consumption, which is on the low side, data is showing closer to 15K miles per quart, add in the ash in diesel fuel and you end up with something closer to approx. 300K+ miles. for the "typical" user before there's enough delta in back-pressure across the DPF sub-strait to even get worried about. In between, there's no performance loss as the pressure drop is insignificant.
So you refer to DPF lifespan as a function of oil consumption. Is there more to it than that? I was always led to believe that much of the stuff that can't be burned off at regen were byproducts of the regen cycle itself and how it burns off accumulated soot. Is this incorrect?
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I should also point out that these systems (emission control systems) are nothing like those of the past. Performance characteristics of the vehicle are almost negligible. You can't make 400hp and 800lbft without very finite control of these components over the useful life of the vehicle. There are those that will says, "get rid of the crap", and years ago, I would have agreed, but in this day an age, there's so much technology that assures vehicle performance that is has become a mute point. You end up with the best of both worlds, performance, clean engine technology, improved fuel economy.
-Paul
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tell that to the tuner happy crowd...there are guys out there chomping at the bit to void their warranty...I think this package is rapidly proving it's mettle...job well done by Paul and the crew in the 6.7 group...now what about the Duramax...c'mon guys, we are waiting for some Ford approved power
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tell that to the tuner happy crowd...there are guys out there chomping at the bit to void their warranty...I think this package is rapidly proving it's mettle...job well done by Paul and the crew in the 6.7 group...now what about the Duramax...c'mon guys, we are waiting for some Ford approved power
Regards
Regards
Everyone can do what they want but I like my warranty and this truck amazes me at stock.
If I had the cash they have, I still wouldn't "mod" my truck inside of warranty, I would simply own an SRW and a DRW or just a bunch of useful equipment for one of those. Oh well. Back to driving!
Not saying I like having the DPF but I think this 2011 truck shows that Ford learned from the 2008-2010 experience.