Inoperable Vehicle Violation letter from the city
#61
02-02-2011, 06:38 PM
(all my cars are behind a gate typically though) to "clean" it up in their eyes. Now if they weren't man/woman enough to approach me civilly and either complained in a uncivil way or called code enforcement that is when ALL of the cars would come out of hiding and land on the lawn, etc. I'll show them just how redneck I can make my place if they want to play the "crappy neighbor" game
#62
02-02-2011, 07:06 PM
Naw - what's wrong with this country is the fact that we are turning into overly PC pansies who are too afraid of hurting someone else's feelings to stand up for ourselves and what we believe in. People are too afraid to settle things themselves and want the government and authorities to step in. The LAST thing this country needs is more authority/govenrment involvement. We are already on a quick road to socialism, and when the authorities can tell you what to do on your own property it makes me sick.
Don't get me wrong - I take pride in my place and my yard but I do have lots of cars as well. If a neighbor were to say something my reaction would depend on how they approached it. If they nicely came over and explained that my cars or yard look ratty (to them) I would discuss with them what they would like me to do to make it better. Now I won't get rid of cars but I would use car covers, etc. if needed (all my cars are behind a gate typically though) to "clean" it up in their eyes. Now if they weren't man/woman enough to approach me civilly and either complained in a uncivil way or called code enforcement that is when ALL of the cars would come out of hiding and land on the lawn, etc. I'll show them just how redneck I can make my place if they want to play the "crappy neighbor" game
Don't get me wrong - I take pride in my place and my yard but I do have lots of cars as well. If a neighbor were to say something my reaction would depend on how they approached it. If they nicely came over and explained that my cars or yard look ratty (to them) I would discuss with them what they would like me to do to make it better. Now I won't get rid of cars but I would use car covers, etc. if needed (all my cars are behind a gate typically though) to "clean" it up in their eyes. Now if they weren't man/woman enough to approach me civilly and either complained in a uncivil way or called code enforcement that is when ALL of the cars would come out of hiding and land on the lawn, etc. I'll show them just how redneck I can make my place if they want to play the "crappy neighbor" game
It would be nice if we could all be honest enough with each other to communicate like that. We aren't. Some people would rather not talk to you ..... about anything, much less confront you about something they think is an eyesore. They aren't afraid, they're just anti-social a-holes that don't like people (or crazy, or both). They turn to the government for help, right or wrong. It would also be nice if everyone could do whatever they want on their own property, but you can't. There are situations where "doing whatever you want" has a negative impact on the community, whether you intend to or not. There are laws to protect the community against that. Keep in mind that some things you decide to do may directly cost someone else thousands of dollars or tens of thousands. To some extent you can move to a different community but there will ALWAYS be SOME things you just can't do (legally).
The OP has a vindictive neighbor hell bent on causing trouble. The only way to deal with that is to kiss and make up. Depending on the level of crazy on the neighbor's part, he may or may not have any success going that route. Just play it cool. It's hard not to get offended by a complaint like that but you have to play it cool and make sure you don't come across as the crazy one!!
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02-02-2011, 08:05 PM
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Naw - what's wrong with this country is the fact that we are turning into overly PC pansies who are too afraid of hurting someone else's feelings to stand up for ourselves and what we believe in. People are too afraid to settle things themselves and want the government and authorities to step in. The LAST thing this country needs is more authority/govenrment involvement. We are already on a quick road to socialism, and when the authorities can tell you what to do on your own property it makes me sick.
Don't get me wrong - I take pride in my place and my yard but I do have lots of cars as well. If a neighbor were to say something my reaction would depend on how they approached it. If they nicely came over and explained that my cars or yard look ratty (to them) I would discuss with them what they would like me to do to make it better. Now I won't get rid of cars but I would use car covers, etc. if needed (all my cars are behind a gate typically though) to "clean" it up in their eyes. Now if they weren't man/woman enough to approach me civilly and either complained in a uncivil way or called code enforcement that is when ALL of the cars would come out of hiding and land on the lawn, etc. I'll show them just how redneck I can make my place if they want to play the "crappy neighbor" game
Don't get me wrong - I take pride in my place and my yard but I do have lots of cars as well. If a neighbor were to say something my reaction would depend on how they approached it. If they nicely came over and explained that my cars or yard look ratty (to them) I would discuss with them what they would like me to do to make it better. Now I won't get rid of cars but I would use car covers, etc. if needed (all my cars are behind a gate typically though) to "clean" it up in their eyes. Now if they weren't man/woman enough to approach me civilly and either complained in a uncivil way or called code enforcement that is when ALL of the cars would come out of hiding and land on the lawn, etc. I'll show them just how redneck I can make my place if they want to play the "crappy neighbor" game
#64
02-02-2011, 08:17 PM
Well my beef isnt with restored antiques, or antique projects in the making, or guys working on their trucks/boats/motorcycles or whatever in their driveways. Its with the dirtbags that pile crap cars and trucks in their lawn to capacity that they have little or no intention of getting running and let the grass grow waist high and the place is an eyesore. Common sense here, you dont turn a suburban lawn into Sanford and Son and expect no one to complain. Just because you own the property doesnt give you the right to make a pigstye out of it and affect my property value and turn my neighborhood into an industrial zone. BTW, anyone seen "hoarders" or "animal hoarders"? Extreme examples but thats why you cant just do whatever the hell you like because its "your property".
#65
02-02-2011, 08:28 PM
Naw - what's wrong with this country is the fact that we are turning into overly PC pansies who are too afraid of hurting someone else's feelings to stand up for ourselves and what we believe in. People are too afraid to settle things themselves and want the government and authorities to step in. The LAST thing this country needs is more authority/govenrment involvement. We are already on a quick road to socialism, and when the authorities can tell you what to do on your own property it makes me sick.
Don't get me wrong - I take pride in my place and my yard but I do have lots of cars as well. If a neighbor were to say something my reaction would depend on how they approached it. If they nicely came over and explained that my cars or yard look ratty (to them) I would discuss with them what they would like me to do to make it better. Now I won't get rid of cars but I would use car covers, etc. if needed (all my cars are behind a gate typically though) to "clean" it up in their eyes. Now if they weren't man/woman enough to approach me civilly and either complained in a uncivil way or called code enforcement that is when ALL of the cars would come out of hiding and land on the lawn, etc. I'll show them just how redneck I can make my place if they want to play the "crappy neighbor" game
Don't get me wrong - I take pride in my place and my yard but I do have lots of cars as well. If a neighbor were to say something my reaction would depend on how they approached it. If they nicely came over and explained that my cars or yard look ratty (to them) I would discuss with them what they would like me to do to make it better. Now I won't get rid of cars but I would use car covers, etc. if needed (all my cars are behind a gate typically though) to "clean" it up in their eyes. Now if they weren't man/woman enough to approach me civilly and either complained in a uncivil way or called code enforcement that is when ALL of the cars would come out of hiding and land on the lawn, etc. I'll show them just how redneck I can make my place if they want to play the "crappy neighbor" game
#66
02-02-2011, 08:49 PM
This is one hot topic.
It seems that we all have had some bad experiences with neighbors that want us to conform to their idea of civility. I will not live in an area that has HOA or any type of power to tell me how to live or keep my property. Been there and left because they didn't approve of my Crew Cab Dually. They can kiss my hairy white a*s!
I think that people like that should move into one of those communitys that have all the identical houses that are all painted 1 color with the same roofs and all of the landscaping is identical and the HOA will fine you if you plant flowers in the yard. Then they can all eat the same food and watch the same G Rated TV shows and march in lockstep to the same church.
That kinda sounds like something Orwell wrote a book about many years ago.
It seems that we all have had some bad experiences with neighbors that want us to conform to their idea of civility. I will not live in an area that has HOA or any type of power to tell me how to live or keep my property. Been there and left because they didn't approve of my Crew Cab Dually. They can kiss my hairy white a*s!
I think that people like that should move into one of those communitys that have all the identical houses that are all painted 1 color with the same roofs and all of the landscaping is identical and the HOA will fine you if you plant flowers in the yard. Then they can all eat the same food and watch the same G Rated TV shows and march in lockstep to the same church.
That kinda sounds like something Orwell wrote a book about many years ago.
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02-02-2011, 08:50 PM
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Thanks Brewski. I keep everything clean kept what i needed and of course did my own repairs an modifications to my rigs. the judge said although what i do may not be the normal for the neighborhood it wasn't against the law. Plus the date on the ticket was the only date that matters as far as the court. The city guy got a a@# chewing when he was asked why he didn't check an run the vin# he informed the court he wasn't allowed on the property,cause he had a power complex and I told him if I ever saw him on the property he was going to get hurt
#68
02-02-2011, 08:53 PM
Well my beef isnt with restored antiques, or antique projects in the making, or guys working on their trucks/boats/motorcycles or whatever in their driveways. Its with the dirtbags that pile crap cars and trucks in their lawn to capacity that they have little or no intention of getting running and let the grass grow waist high and the place is an eyesore. Common sense here, you dont turn a suburban lawn into Sanford and Son and expect no one to complain. Just because you own the property doesnt give you the right to make a pigstye out of it and affect my property value and turn my neighborhood into an industrial zone. BTW, anyone seen "hoarders" or "animal hoarders"? Extreme examples but thats why you cant just do whatever the hell you like because its "your property".
Exactly. Ordinances are written BECAUSE of sanford and son but have to include everything similar, such as simply working on one car or doing a restoration. It's unfortunate that situations like this occur. I think everyone should be able to temporarily work on/fix their own vehicle in their driveway or conduct a full restoration, being considerate of your neighbors. However, we typically can't because some people would run a salvage yard from their 1/2 acre in suburbia if ordinances weren't in place. Too bad that the OP's idiot neighbors try to take advantage by reporting silly stuff just to get under his skin.
#69
02-02-2011, 09:07 PM
This is one hot topic.
It seems that we all have had some bad experiences with neighbors that want us to conform to their idea of civility. I will not live in an area that has HOA or any type of power to tell me how to live or keep my property. Been there and left because they didn't approve of my Crew Cab Dually. They can kiss my hairy white a*s!
I think that people like that should move into one of those communitys that have all the identical houses that are all painted 1 color with the same roofs and all of the landscaping is identical and the HOA will fine you if you plant flowers in the yard. Then they can all eat the same food and watch the same G Rated TV shows and march in lockstep to the same church.
That kinda sounds like something Orwell wrote a book about many years ago.
It seems that we all have had some bad experiences with neighbors that want us to conform to their idea of civility. I will not live in an area that has HOA or any type of power to tell me how to live or keep my property. Been there and left because they didn't approve of my Crew Cab Dually. They can kiss my hairy white a*s!
I think that people like that should move into one of those communitys that have all the identical houses that are all painted 1 color with the same roofs and all of the landscaping is identical and the HOA will fine you if you plant flowers in the yard. Then they can all eat the same food and watch the same G Rated TV shows and march in lockstep to the same church.
That kinda sounds like something Orwell wrote a book about many years ago.
Hopefully the OP will keep us updated on how this turns out.
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02-02-2011, 09:26 PM
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Naw - what's wrong with this country is the fact that we are turning into overly PC pansies who are too afraid of hurting someone else's feelings to stand up for ourselves and what we believe in. People are too afraid to settle things themselves and want the government and authorities to step in. The LAST thing this country needs is more authority/govenrment involvement. We are already on a quick road to socialism, and when the authorities can tell you what to do on your own property it makes me sick.
Don't get me wrong - I take pride in my place and my yard but I do have lots of cars as well. If a neighbor were to say something my reaction would depend on how they approached it. If they nicely came over and explained that my cars or yard look ratty (to them) I would discuss with them what they would like me to do to make it better. Now I won't get rid of cars but I would use car covers, etc. if needed (all my cars are behind a gate typically though) to "clean" it up in their eyes. Now if they weren't man/woman enough to approach me civilly and either complained in a uncivil way or called code enforcement that is when ALL of the cars would come out of hiding and land on the lawn, etc. I'll show them just how redneck I can make my place if they want to play the "crappy neighbor" game
Don't get me wrong - I take pride in my place and my yard but I do have lots of cars as well. If a neighbor were to say something my reaction would depend on how they approached it. If they nicely came over and explained that my cars or yard look ratty (to them) I would discuss with them what they would like me to do to make it better. Now I won't get rid of cars but I would use car covers, etc. if needed (all my cars are behind a gate typically though) to "clean" it up in their eyes. Now if they weren't man/woman enough to approach me civilly and either complained in a uncivil way or called code enforcement that is when ALL of the cars would come out of hiding and land on the lawn, etc. I'll show them just how redneck I can make my place if they want to play the "crappy neighbor" game
The government's been telling people what they can and can't do on their land for ages. That isn't anything new and it has nothing to do with a march towards socialism. Go set up a still on your land and see what happens. Start a to-go restaurant out of your kitchen and see what happens. Open a body shop out of your garage and see what happens. Socialism has absolutely nothing to do with it. Cities have had regulations in place on what is and isn't acceptable in residential areas for as long as cities have existed.
And all this "I'll show you how redneck I can get" crapola further demonstrates the need for adequate regulations to be in place to keep people from dragging an entire neighborhood's property values down just to prove they know how to be a rough and tough redneck.
The fact of the matter is that when you live in a neighborhood what you do affects your neighbors. Your property isn't an island all its own. It's a small part of a larger community. Others shouldn't have to deal with negatives consequences because you think you're the only one with rights.
#71
02-02-2011, 10:26 PM
I get along with all my immediate neighbors. I help them out often. I keep a project in the yard all the time, but never leave it looking inoperable. No one complains to me. They do however tell me how annoying the neighbors across the street are with their ice chests laying all around the yard. When I tell them I can't say much because of my projects, they look at me funny and say that my stuff is no problem. Most of the time they come hang out by me while I piddle with my projects. I do notice that they cringe a little when they see that old hulking F-600 pull up in front of the house sometimes. I can not blame them.
#72
02-02-2011, 10:32 PM
Ok, listen up. As someone who has conducted compliance and enforcement activity (civil, not criminal) for almost a decade, I suggest that you don't spend your effort in resistance. Just do the minimum that's required. As long as you are making a good faith effort to comply and can prove it, you should be fine. Keep in mind that those laws and ordinances are written in such a way that it is very difficult to fight and win. (Although it can be done) It will cost you way more money and time than to just get the stickers. The real issue is the neighbor you've ticked off. They clearly have it out for you for some reason. You probably know who and you probably know why.
The most troubling part is this. After you've complied, it isn't going to accomplish anything as far as the neighbor is concerned. Your truck will still be sitting in the same spot with barely noticeable new stickers on it. That means that they don't really care about the truck. They care about making your life miserable. That should be of very high concern to you. You need to try and rectify THAT situation if you can. Until you resolve that, you will continue to receive citations for your improperly maintained fence, the tree planted too close to the street, friends parking in the street or partially on your lawn when they visit, not using the proper garbage receptacle at the roadside, a non-conforming mailbox, grass needing cut, and the list goes on forever ...... Good luck.
The most troubling part is this. After you've complied, it isn't going to accomplish anything as far as the neighbor is concerned. Your truck will still be sitting in the same spot with barely noticeable new stickers on it. That means that they don't really care about the truck. They care about making your life miserable. That should be of very high concern to you. You need to try and rectify THAT situation if you can. Until you resolve that, you will continue to receive citations for your improperly maintained fence, the tree planted too close to the street, friends parking in the street or partially on your lawn when they visit, not using the proper garbage receptacle at the roadside, a non-conforming mailbox, grass needing cut, and the list goes on forever ...... Good luck.
#73
02-03-2011, 12:27 AM
I have honestly never heard of an advantage of an HOA that is specific to an HOA, and any advantages I've heard have been far outweighed by the disadvantages. I honestly cannot understand anyone's reason for moving into an area with an HOA other than they like the current rules. However the rules can be changed, and they do, but they are never loosened, and all the politics, infighting and bs that come with them makes everyone I've known who lives with one dislike them. Some move away if they can, some decide that they want to run for office in the HOA so they can beat that mean old biddy at her own game, but I've not met one who likes 'em.
#74
02-03-2011, 01:46 AM
Naw - what's wrong with this country is the fact that we are turning into overly PC pansies who are too afraid of hurting someone else's feelings to stand up for ourselves and what we believe in. People are too afraid to settle things themselves and want the government and authorities to step in. The LAST thing this country needs is more authority/govenrment involvement. We are already on a quick road to socialism, and when the authorities can tell you what to do on your own property it makes me sick.
Don't get me wrong - I take pride in my place and my yard but I do have lots of cars as well. If a neighbor were to say something my reaction would depend on how they approached it. If they nicely came over and explained that my cars or yard look ratty (to them) I would discuss with them what they would like me to do to make it better. Now I won't get rid of cars but I would use car covers, etc. if needed (all my cars are behind a gate typically though) to "clean" it up in their eyes. Now if they weren't man/woman enough to approach me civilly and either complained in a uncivil way or called code enforcement that is when ALL of the cars would come out of hiding and land on the lawn, etc. I'll show them just how redneck I can make my place if they want to play the "crappy neighbor" game
Don't get me wrong - I take pride in my place and my yard but I do have lots of cars as well. If a neighbor were to say something my reaction would depend on how they approached it. If they nicely came over and explained that my cars or yard look ratty (to them) I would discuss with them what they would like me to do to make it better. Now I won't get rid of cars but I would use car covers, etc. if needed (all my cars are behind a gate typically though) to "clean" it up in their eyes. Now if they weren't man/woman enough to approach me civilly and either complained in a uncivil way or called code enforcement that is when ALL of the cars would come out of hiding and land on the lawn, etc. I'll show them just how redneck I can make my place if they want to play the "crappy neighbor" game
