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Old Jan 26, 2011 | 07:59 PM
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Glow plug relal

I don't have any control power to my glow plug relay, However there is 12 volts to the supply side ( the big terminal) . I have checked all the fuse's and they are all good. Any idea's Thanks Jeff.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2011 | 08:34 PM
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Not sure what you mean by control power. The 12v supply side is constant from the battery. When the key is turned on, the PCM sends a ground signal to one of the small posts to activate the relay and send the 12v out the other large post to the glow plugs.

What I would consider the control, would be the ground signal.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2011 | 08:51 PM
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Make sure you are checking the GPR and not the AIH (Air Intake Heater) relay.

If you have 2 relays that look the same the one closest to firewall is the GPR.

Also be sure your truck has a GPR and not a GPCM (Glow Plug Control Module). Trucks built for the California market and all Exursions have a GPCM.

Cali truck & EX:

 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by F350-6
Not sure what you mean by control power. The 12v supply side is constant from the battery. When the key is turned on, the PCM sends a ground signal to one of the small posts to activate the relay and send the 12v out the other large post to the glow plugs.

What I would consider the control, would be the ground signal.

Right i dont have the 12 volts to or at the small post to activate the relay or to allow 12 volts to the glow plugs.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 04:59 PM
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The pcm activates the gpr with a ground signal on one of the small posts. The other small post is vpwr supplied from the pcm as well. I attached a wiring diagram. What problems are you having with the truck? Just cold start issues? Does it start when it's plugged in?
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 07:17 PM
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After looking at the diagram again it looks like vpwr is an input to the pcm. The pcm relay appears to be providing the vpwr to gpr. I would check for key power, B+, and ground with the pcm relay unplugged key on and off.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 07:59 PM
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I've heard a lot about Cali trucks having a GPCM instead of a GPR. I have a 1999 Cali truck and I have a GPR which actually I'm glad about since I can get the Stancor relay someday if I need/want it:


Is my truck an unusual build?
(don't mean to hijack the thread but maybe this will bring out some more info concerning GPR's and GPCM's?)


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Make sure you are checking the GPR and not the AIH (Air Intake Heater) relay.

If you have 2 relays that look the same the one closest to firewall is the GPR.

Also be sure your truck has a GPR and not a GPCM (Glow Plug Control Module). Trucks built for the California market and all Exursions have a GPCM.

Cali truck & EX:

 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 08:02 PM
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What year is your truck? I believe the Early '99's didnt have GPCMs
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by thordehr
I've heard a lot about Cali trucks having a GPCM instead of a GPR. I have a 1999 Cali truck and I have a GPR which actually I'm glad about since I can get the Stancor relay someday if I need/want it:


Is my truck an unusual build?
(don't mean to hijack the thread but maybe this will bring out some more info concerning GPR's and GPCM's?)

I believe it's called a gpr shunt or something like that. I'll try to look it up for sure. 99's can be weird trucks.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 08:12 PM
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The shunt is the metal strap bridging some of the contacts. There's mention of it in the Stancor instructions.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by thordehr
The shunt is the metal strap bridging some of the contacts. There's mention of it in the Stancor instructions.
Sounds right then. I think it is for the pcm to monitor the glow plugs or relay. Probably something to do with smoke. Now you guys have smog checks.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 08:40 PM
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The smog checks for me are actually pretty easy since I don't have to have a Catalytic Converter. It's really just a visual inspection by people that don't know anything about diesels and a PCM scan for any outstanding codes. Still a waste of my money and time though.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by thordehr
The smog checks for me are actually pretty easy since I don't have to have a Catalytic Converter. It's really just a visual inspection by people that don't know anything about diesels and a PCM scan for any outstanding codes. Still a waste of my money and time though.
I found a pic of the shunt + gpr and how it is wired up. Kevin on dieselstop..
 
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Old Jan 27, 2011 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PaysonPSD
Make sure you are checking the GPR and not the AIH (Air Intake Heater) relay.

If you have 2 relays that look the same the one closest to firewall is the GPR.

Also be sure your truck has a GPR and not a GPCM (Glow Plug Control Module). Trucks built for the California market and all Exursions have a GPCM.

Cali truck & EX:

I think it may have something to do with the year. My 99.5 Cali truck has 2 Relays. I think they started the Gpcm in 2000 on.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tdpower
The pcm activates the gpr with a ground signal on one of the small posts. The other small post is vpwr supplied from the pcm as well. I attached a wiring diagram. What problems are you having with the truck? Just cold start issues? Does it start when it's plugged in?

This diagram is the same for a 2001 F-350?
 
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