Camber Issue with Plow?
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Camber Issue with Plow?
I have a 1994 F150 4 X 4, Short box, standard cab no A/C with a front axle rating of 3270 and I've just added a Minute Mount plow system weighing around 700 lbs. I'm getting some slight, by a couple of degrees, a toeing that looks like this from the front ( / - \). I've checked around other sites and am getting some different information as to how to correct the problem. The plow will only be on for a few days the year and right now, the truck is not rubbing the tires and there appears to be plenty of clearance. But what should I do or not? I've seen recommendations to go with Moog cc824s or add Timbres (which I'm not certain will correct the problem). I don't want to add any height really but an inch wouldn't be a problem. What do you guys think?
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Last edited by BillM2; Jan 10, 2011 at 03:13 PM. Reason: wrong camber stated
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Are you talking about toe-in or camber? With that much weight on the front end it will sag quite a bit and throw all the steering geometry out of whack, a good solution here is to add airbags to bring the suspension to the right height when the plow mounted and then simply airdown when it's not. A couple companies make airbags that fit inside the coilsprings that aren't terribly expensive.
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The plow is a Minute Mount, to be put on when needed. From what I've heard, adding Timbrens is a more cost effective way of correcting the problem. My tires look like this if looking from the front (/ -- \). I don't need a stiffer ride , nor height. Just want to correct the negative camber I'm seeing.
Thank for the input so far!
Thank for the input so far!
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To the OP-if you're just doing a light duty plow for personal use and it's only on a few days a year, I'd just live with it, unless it causes serious handling or tire wear issues. As previously stated, you could get some airbags to go in the coils if you really think it's nessecary.
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An F350 2WD will have twin I beam IFS, which would have the same problem with a load on it.
To the OP-if you're just doing a light duty plow for personal use and it's only on a few days a year, I'd just live with it, unless it causes serious handling or tire wear issues. As previously stated, you could get some airbags to go in the coils if you really think it's nessecary.
To the OP-if you're just doing a light duty plow for personal use and it's only on a few days a year, I'd just live with it, unless it causes serious handling or tire wear issues. As previously stated, you could get some airbags to go in the coils if you really think it's nessecary.
I get you never have plow truck before?
Have you look at F150 spring and F350 spring. F350 spring is THICKER heavy stiff.
We have snowplow on F350 2wd it held no problem. It low like 1" due 460.
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The plow is a Minute Mount, to be put on when needed. From what I've heard, adding Timbrens is a more cost effective way of correcting the problem. My tires look like this if looking from the front (/ -- \). I don't need a stiffer ride , nor height. Just want to correct the negative camber I'm seeing.
Thank for the input so far!
Thank for the input so far!
I have Timbren on my F250 it doesn't help with negative camber but they only hold load little higher.
My suggested just put F350 diesel spring it will raise little inches and will not have negative camber.
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Milwaukee Man:
Won't that thick F350 diesel spring make my ride really stiff up front when the plow isn't mounted and will it even fit?
Won't that thick F350 diesel spring make my ride really stiff up front when the plow isn't mounted and will it even fit?
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Yes it will fit but ride will be little stiff. Let me find thread.
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I live at 8,500 ft elevation in Colorado, and I did commercial snowplowing for 14 years, so yeah I've plowed a little snow. And yes, a 350 spring is heavier but the camber is still gonna change under load, that's just a failing of the twin I beam (and the 4x4 TTB) setup.
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It slow down on camber issues. Have you see F150 with spring it would bounce and keep change camber all times
With F350 it just reduce to little change camber
http://www.plowsite.com/showpost.php...79&postcount=1
With F350 it just reduce to little change camber
http://www.plowsite.com/showpost.php...79&postcount=1
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Timbrens are worth it, they will help quite a bit, airbags are even better.
If it was an F250/350 adding in a leaf often helps, but in reality having a heavier truck for plowing is what is always needed. a 1/2 ton is good for maybe a few driveways or something, if you ever want to be serious about it you need at least a 3/4 ton b/c of the weight.
Also helps to pick a poly plow blade over a metal one, alot less weight.
If it was an F250/350 adding in a leaf often helps, but in reality having a heavier truck for plowing is what is always needed. a 1/2 ton is good for maybe a few driveways or something, if you ever want to be serious about it you need at least a 3/4 ton b/c of the weight.
Also helps to pick a poly plow blade over a metal one, alot less weight.
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I want to work with what I have in the driveway. I'm doing 2-3 drives over the course of the season and I think that adding springs that are a bit more heavy duty than the stock ones which are nearly 20 years old will help. I don't need to drive very far from driveway to driveway fortunately and I can easily remove the plow.
So I think I'll try new springs -- Moog or TRWs cc 822 or cc824 ($95) which I understand to be a bit more heavy and possibly add Airlift bags ($125) with the install. The total for parts will come to around $225 which is slightly more than Timbrens ($200) but more time for the installation.
Plowin' ain't cheap!
So I think I'll try new springs -- Moog or TRWs cc 822 or cc824 ($95) which I understand to be a bit more heavy and possibly add Airlift bags ($125) with the install. The total for parts will come to around $225 which is slightly more than Timbrens ($200) but more time for the installation.
Plowin' ain't cheap!
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I want to work with what I have in the driveway. I'm doing 2-3 drives over the course of the season and I think that adding springs that are a bit more heavy duty than the stock ones which are nearly 20 years old will help. I don't need to drive very far from driveway to driveway fortunately and I can easily remove the plow.
So I think I'll try new springs -- Moog or TRWs cc 822 or cc824 ($95) which I understand to be a bit more heavy and possibly add Airlift bags ($125) with the install. The total for parts will come to around $225 which is slightly more than Timbrens ($200) but more time for the installation.
Plowin' ain't cheap!
So I think I'll try new springs -- Moog or TRWs cc 822 or cc824 ($95) which I understand to be a bit more heavy and possibly add Airlift bags ($125) with the install. The total for parts will come to around $225 which is slightly more than Timbrens ($200) but more time for the installation.
Plowin' ain't cheap!
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