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interesting you would suggest a modified termy hpop...
Only if coupled with single shots. If the sticks are stock, then dual pumps.
...while saying the adrenaline isnt an upgrade.
I've just read so many different threads and posts regarding the Adrenaline that in my opinion, it's a nice stock replacement pump, but nothing more.
Some guys have had nice improvements, some guys have had no improvements, and others have had less than good improvements. It seems like the only consistent thing about the Adrenaline, that is common across the board, is Bob's excellent customer service both before and after the sale.
I dunno, that's just an opinion formed after reading a lot about the Adrenaline on several different forums.
i would use the stock injectors, stock hpop, and get a nice air intake, open the exhaust, and throw a few guages in.
The rest, spend it on a tranny.
IMHO since your planning on using it primarily for towing, you don't need huge power as much as reliability. Thats why i say keep it basically stock, guages, and beef up the tranny.
maybe a chip, but no insane aftermarket injectors or hpops, just a chip.
I would do stage one injectors asap. The fuel mileage gains are amazing. Im seeing high 700s per tank with my truck. I drug a 8k skid steer 540 miles on 3/4 tank (23k gross)
I only pull a 9000# 5er and find getting up the mountian no problem. But, coming down the other side scared the crap out of me. Solution: a beefy transmission and a DP decel tune.
Its easier to start a load with a 7.3 than stop it......out on a kick *** brake controller. Past that I run the gooseneck behind the 2000 F350 wich with the exception of a DP F6 and a cold air intake, is entirely stock. 146,000 miles on a stock tranny and it still pulls 20k with reasonable ease on occasion. The 4.10's help too... whats your gears?
........But, coming down the other side scared the crap out of me. .......
Me too......after having problems with my camper brakes I upgraded the brake rotors to Powerslot Cryo'ed Treated and some Hawk LTS break pads. With thesde and T Wildman's Heavy Tow program (keeps the TC locked down to 30 mph and automatic downshift from OD to 3rd) I don't worry too much anymore.
I sure did hate that "O crap I need to slow the frackin freight train" feeling!
This is a good list of mods, but I am willing to bet money that the intake screen of your fuel pump is blocked up with debris.
I went through that with my truck, it ran great for the first two seconds, then no power.
It was a fuel volume problem.
Once I got that fixed, I can now tow my 14k 5th wheel up a 6% grade and never drop below 45 mph in stock tune.
Boost never drops below 18 psi and usually sits at 19 when pulling grades.
Stock injectors, stock HPOP, stock turbo with a WW installed.
I forgot to mention, that is on stock tuning, too.
If I turn up the chip, then the boost jumps to 23 or so.
Rig is too heavy to go any faster than 50 due to the gearing, so I just set the cruise control to 50 on hills.
Truck does the rest.
Almost forgot, if you have a weak HPOP an upgrade like an Dieselsite Adrenaline HPOP, Stealth or BTS dual HPOP will make a big difference.
Will an A&E tell me the condition of my HPOP? I have put off getting one because I don't have a laptop, and don't really need one, but I may look for a cheapo if an A&E would really be that helpful.
Originally Posted by spdmpo
You seem to have a lot of good mods already for towing. I pull from 7000-18,000# trailers, goosenecks, and a camper through the mountains of VA and WV all the time; up and down I-81 and on I 64.
If you could barely crawl up those little mountains towing 10-12K then I'd say you have an issue or are afraid to put the pedal down. What's your boost and EGTs at when this is happening?
I try to keep my EGTs at 1000* or less, and boost is 12 to 15 with RPMs up. At least I think that's about what they ran, I watch the EGTs much closer.
Originally Posted by Bonanza35
Sounds like you have a boost problem. I can tow with much more weight then that but I have to let up because of EGT's. I still have stock exhaust with cat so they climb quick. Check your waste gate first that would be the easiest fix and let us know, Chet
How do I check my waste gate? Is that different than the EBPV?
Originally Posted by Kwikkordead
This is a good list of mods, but I am willing to bet money that the intake screen of your fuel pump is blocked up with debris.
I went through that with my truck, it ran great for the first two seconds, then no power.
It was a fuel volume problem.
Once I got that fixed, I can now tow my 14k 5th wheel up a 6% grade and never drop below 45 mph in stock tune.
Boost never drops below 18 psi and usually sits at 19 when pulling grades.
Stock injectors, stock HPOP, stock turbo with a WW installed.
My power doesn't really seem to drop off, it just doesn't seem to be right at all. But I may check that screen out when I find a warm place to work on it.
[QUOTE=Stewart_H;9743954]Only if coupled with single shots. If the sticks are stock, then dual pumps.
Why???
I'm really confused about the HPOP and injector options. Is there someplace that I can read up on this stuff? Even what I see in the discussions on FTE is confusing. I like to see numbers and theory of operation stuff so I can kind of understand things. ErnestEugene's threads would be perfect if they were more on about a third grade level.
Originally Posted by jkidd_39
I would do stage one injectors asap. The fuel mileage gains are amazing. Im seeing high 700s per tank with my truck. I drug a 8k skid steer 540 miles on 3/4 tank (23k gross)
Are stage one injectors the same as single shots? I like mpgs. That's another thing, my mpgs on that trip were about 10!!! Much worse than I had hoped.
Thanks for all of the input, I really appreciate the help.
Check your fuel system like Dan said, and make sure everythine else is working as it should. An AE would be a great investment. Part of your problem is that you may have an extremely weak HPOP. Putting on new injectors/chip/turbo won't help one bit. So check it to make sure it's working and supplying the volume you need.
Go here:
On the left menu, under Tech Database click "How tos & FAQs", scroll down a bit and click "How to check if my HPOP is good". With the AE, it'll walk you through checking the condition of your HPOP.
Stage 2's, properly tuned chip, 38R, and a RR fuel system is a sweet towing setup, including the proper supporting mods obviously. I upgraded my stock 15* HPOP to a 17* from a junk yard, and it holds close to 3000psi fairly well. I dynoed at 375hp this last summer in my tow tune. It walked through the hills of TN quite well. Was a lot of fun actually. But I dont' think my exhaust liked it, I ran it hard holding hills at 1200*, discolored the pipe a little bit. Now if I can only sell my wife on a pro-charger...
Check your fuel system like Dan said, and make sure everythine else is working as it should. An AE would be a great investment. Part of your problem is that you may have an extremely weak HPOP. Putting on new injectors/chip/turbo won't help one bit. So check it to make sure it's working and supplying the volume you need.
Go here:
On the left menu, under Tech Database click "How tos & FAQs", scroll down a bit and click "How to check if my HPOP is good". With the AE, it'll walk you through checking the condition of your HPOP.
Stage 2's, properly tuned chip, 38R, and a RR fuel system is a sweet towing setup, including the proper supporting mods obviously. I upgraded my stock 15* HPOP to a 17* from a junk yard, and it holds close to 3000psi fairly well. I dynoed at 375hp this last summer in my tow tune. It walked through the hills of TN quite well. Was a lot of fun actually. But I dont' think my exhaust liked it, I ran it hard holding hills at 1200*, discolored the pipe a little bit. Now if I can only sell my wife on a pro-charger...
Thanks Adam, that link was helpful. I will check my HPOP and post the results. I'm kind of thinking it is weak, but I hope not, it sounds expensive to replace. Are there rebuild kits available?
Also, I think I still have the original injectors, and with 210,000 miles it may be time to replace those as well (maybe with stage 2's ). I have not had any hard starting problems though, doesn't that usually accompany bad injectors?
I like the 38R as well, but it's hard to justify spending so much.
Howard, I'm pretty sure my scanner will view the HPOP. I also looked at the link to Swamp's and printed it. If you want I can come over sometime and see what we can figure out. Since you are alot closer to my work than you are to my house.
Howard, I'm pretty sure my scanner will view the HPOP. I also looked at the link to Swamp's and printed it. If you want I can come over sometime and see what we can figure out. Since you are alot closer to my work than you are to my house.
Jason, I already responded to your pm, before I saw this post. That would be awesome!