Will There Be a New F100?
#76
01-29-2011, 01:45 PM
I don't think that the new F-150 is a good replacement for the ranger. For one thing, the truck is huge, compared to even older F-150s and F-250s! And the most fuel-efficient engine offered for the F-150 gets up to what about 24mpg? A Ranger with a 4-cylinder and a stick shift can get up to 30mpg.
#77
02-02-2011, 10:54 PM
#78
02-04-2011, 02:25 AM
Directly from Ford.
Earlier today, we confirmed plans to officially unveil an all-new Ford Ranger at the Australia International Motor Show in Sydney in October. The Ranger model to be unveiled in Sydney has been designed and developed to support key markets outside of North America; these are markets that currently do not have access to our F-Series pickups.
In case you receive customer questions, please remember that production of the North America Ranger will cease in 2011, when the Twin Cities plant will close, and the new Ranger to debut in Australia is not intended for our market.
For customers in the U.S., we’ll continue investing in and further growing our F-Series lineup with new powertrains and improved performance.
For the 2011 model year, the F-150 features four new truck engines and a new six-speed transmission that will deliver best-in-class towing and horsepower. In addition, the entire 2011 F-150 lineup will be at least 20 percent more fuel-efficient than today’s F-150 lineup. This is the most extensive powertrain overhaul in F-150's history.
We also are offering the 2011 F-150 XLT Custom Package with the all-new 3.7-liter V6 engine aimed at the entry-level personal use buyer. This new F-150 series will be ideal for Ranger owners interested in a pickup. For Ranger customers interested more in affordable transportation than an entry-level truck, we now either have or soon will offer many new affordable vehicles including the Fiesta, Focus, 7-passenger Grand C-MAX and the Transit Connect.
It is also important to note that the new Ranger is bigger than our current product and moves much closer in size to the current F-150. Its use in the U.S. would become even more limited, especially when compared to the increasingly fuel-efficient F-150.
Please continue to reinforce the benefits of our unprecedented upgrades to our F-150 powertrain lineup and availability of alternative product offerings, so your customers are aware that we have the right solutions to meet their needs.
Thank you for your support and business.
Regards,
Kenneth M. Czubay
Vice President, U.S. Marketing, Sales and Service
Ford Motor Company
Earlier today, we confirmed plans to officially unveil an all-new Ford Ranger at the Australia International Motor Show in Sydney in October. The Ranger model to be unveiled in Sydney has been designed and developed to support key markets outside of North America; these are markets that currently do not have access to our F-Series pickups.
In case you receive customer questions, please remember that production of the North America Ranger will cease in 2011, when the Twin Cities plant will close, and the new Ranger to debut in Australia is not intended for our market.
For customers in the U.S., we’ll continue investing in and further growing our F-Series lineup with new powertrains and improved performance.
For the 2011 model year, the F-150 features four new truck engines and a new six-speed transmission that will deliver best-in-class towing and horsepower. In addition, the entire 2011 F-150 lineup will be at least 20 percent more fuel-efficient than today’s F-150 lineup. This is the most extensive powertrain overhaul in F-150's history.
We also are offering the 2011 F-150 XLT Custom Package with the all-new 3.7-liter V6 engine aimed at the entry-level personal use buyer. This new F-150 series will be ideal for Ranger owners interested in a pickup. For Ranger customers interested more in affordable transportation than an entry-level truck, we now either have or soon will offer many new affordable vehicles including the Fiesta, Focus, 7-passenger Grand C-MAX and the Transit Connect.
It is also important to note that the new Ranger is bigger than our current product and moves much closer in size to the current F-150. Its use in the U.S. would become even more limited, especially when compared to the increasingly fuel-efficient F-150.
Please continue to reinforce the benefits of our unprecedented upgrades to our F-150 powertrain lineup and availability of alternative product offerings, so your customers are aware that we have the right solutions to meet their needs.
Thank you for your support and business.
Regards,
Kenneth M. Czubay
Vice President, U.S. Marketing, Sales and Service
Ford Motor Company
So lets summerise;
The global Ranger is bigger than the old US Ranger and would be too close to the F150. Er isn't that good? Folks don't want a mini truck, they want a Ford truck a bit smaller than the F150....! The F150 is just too big for some folks and urban areas, the new Ranger would be perfect.
US Ranger owners should trade to Fiesta or C-Max! Ranger drivers don't just drive Rangers because they're cheap to run, they need a truck. You can't carry a lawn mower and spare gasoline in the back of a C-Max can you!
The segment is dying but thats because it's been neglected.
I hope he meant the "lineup" when he said the current F-150 lineup will continue to grow!
#79
02-04-2011, 05:43 AM
There's no economic value to owning a V-6 Ranger. The MPG estimates are 16-21. The F-150 4x2 truck with a 5.0L is rated for the same MPG's.
The ranger is the last in Ford inventory to employ the 4.0L and the 5 speed transmissions. In other words, this platform shares nothing significant with anything else that Ford builds which will make this one very expensive low profit truck.
Now, had Ford done the right all along and continually updated this thing, she would have a 6 speed, a 3.7L, an Ecoboost and may have shared some other components with her larger sibling making a more cost effective truck to build.
Embrace change, it may be good.
The ranger is the last in Ford inventory to employ the 4.0L and the 5 speed transmissions. In other words, this platform shares nothing significant with anything else that Ford builds which will make this one very expensive low profit truck.
Now, had Ford done the right all along and continually updated this thing, she would have a 6 speed, a 3.7L, an Ecoboost and may have shared some other components with her larger sibling making a more cost effective truck to build.
Embrace change, it may be good.
#82
02-04-2011, 07:53 PM
US Ranger owners should trade to Fiesta or C-Max! Ranger drivers don't just drive Rangers because they're cheap to run, they need a truck. You can't carry a lawn mower and spare gasoline in the back of a C-Max can you!
The segment is dying but thats because it's been neglected.
I hope he meant the "lineup" when he said the current F-150 lineup will continue to grow!
What about people who need efficiency, but also to haul stuff that doesn't smell too good (eg. farmers). I wouldn't want to be driving around in a Fiesta or a Transit with a load of manure, or fishing chum.
#83
02-06-2011, 03:33 PM
I don't think that the new F-150 is a good replacement for the ranger. For one thing, the truck is huge, compared to even older F-150s and F-250s! And the most fuel-efficient engine offered for the F-150 gets up to what about 24mpg? A Ranger with a 4-cylinder and a stick shift can get up to 30mpg.
The 4 Cyl 5 Spd Ranger gets 24 to 27 MPG all the time. It carries what I need to carry and does so very cheaply.
The 2011 F150 is nice and comfortable. Has cool electronic toys. It is rated for 17 to 23 (maximum available) and 19 average. In real world driving it reports and average of 15.6
On the freeway, the best it has done is 20.6. It's too large to fit into many parking spots.
Just my humble opinion. Hope things change as I get used to it. Just hate being inefficient.
#84
02-06-2011, 04:20 PM
Bought a 2011 F150 to replace my Ranger and have very mixed feelings about what transpired.
The 4 Cyl 5 Spd Ranger gets 24 to 27 MPG all the time. It carries what I need to carry and does so very cheaply.
The 2011 F150 is nice and comfortable. Has cool electronic toys. It is rated for 17 to 23 (maximum available) and 19 average. In real world driving it reports and average of 15.6
On the freeway, the best it has done is 20.6. It's too large to fit into many parking spots.
Just my humble opinion. Hope things change as I get used to it. Just hate being inefficient.
The 4 Cyl 5 Spd Ranger gets 24 to 27 MPG all the time. It carries what I need to carry and does so very cheaply.
The 2011 F150 is nice and comfortable. Has cool electronic toys. It is rated for 17 to 23 (maximum available) and 19 average. In real world driving it reports and average of 15.6
On the freeway, the best it has done is 20.6. It's too large to fit into many parking spots.
Just my humble opinion. Hope things change as I get used to it. Just hate being inefficient.
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02-11-2011, 09:40 PM
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As a owner of a 78 F100, I have thought this subject out day in and day out at my shop. I think a trucks that is just a little more compact then the new F150, but not as small as a Ranger would do good. My thought is that it wouldn't be a heavy hauler, but a truck for those who haul alot in there bed. You know lawn mower, weed eater, gas, maybe the occasion couch? And give it a good engine. Now I for one love this say 'I drive a truck cause I work it not just to act tough' I also believe if you cant afford to feed it you don't need it. Therefore I think a 4.6 or the new Coyote motor would be a good fit. Good power and mileage. I also think making the F100 a 2WD only model would be good.
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02-11-2011, 09:59 PM
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In theory the F100 is a great idea but you aren't going to get it past the bean counters at Ford. With the cost cutting measures that they have taken to streamline the company they won't be spending any money they don't have to. As much as I would like to have one myself but I think a V8 would be overkill. The new 3.7L V6 would be plenty along with the Ecoboost 2.0L 4cyl. And 4 and 2 wheel drive along with all 3 cab sizes.
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02-12-2011, 09:47 PM
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02-13-2011, 12:16 AM
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#90
02-13-2011, 06:49 AM
Consider the base prices for an entry level Ranger vs and entry level F-150. $3000 and change. Consider the differences in capabilities and marginal difference in MPG's.