Cam stop failure...?
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Cam stop failure...?
Found another thread with this issue from last year and posted in it.
Got the rest of the story last night, figured Id make my own thread. Went and looked at it and the inside of the valve cover looks like the floor in a machine shop. The bank 2 cam moved forward about 1/2" and ground thru a bunch of meta, finally taking out the cam timing sensor and tripping the check engine light. But it was way to late.
1200 miles out of warranty. Is that long enough to get that much metal and damage? Im thinking not, but Ford says yes... They will happy to replace the motor for $7600.
Looks like there was plenty of oil getting up there, the bearings didnt appear to be damaged. The cam stop just didnt do its job somehow or something and the cam moved forward.
If anybody has any ideas how to make Ford cover this out of warranty (HA!) please let me know...
Got the rest of the story last night, figured Id make my own thread. Went and looked at it and the inside of the valve cover looks like the floor in a machine shop. The bank 2 cam moved forward about 1/2" and ground thru a bunch of meta, finally taking out the cam timing sensor and tripping the check engine light. But it was way to late.
1200 miles out of warranty. Is that long enough to get that much metal and damage? Im thinking not, but Ford says yes... They will happy to replace the motor for $7600.
Looks like there was plenty of oil getting up there, the bearings didnt appear to be damaged. The cam stop just didnt do its job somehow or something and the cam moved forward.
If anybody has any ideas how to make Ford cover this out of warranty (HA!) please let me know...
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Call the customer service line. The number is in the owner's manual. You never know.
Say "you heard a noise but couldn't get to the dealer before you ran over warranty" or something like that. You might get some satisfaction, but who knows.
Would love to see pictures.
Say "you heard a noise but couldn't get to the dealer before you ran over warranty" or something like that. You might get some satisfaction, but who knows.
Would love to see pictures.
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Very odd indeed... Heres a shot I took Friday evening at the dealer. You can see a little pile of metal next to the journal and the cam shifted forward, and thats about it unfortunately. Ill get some better shots this afternoon with light.
My brother in law knows an engine builder that has experience with this problem on this motor and has gotten ford to cover a new motor before from what I am told. Ill be talking with him today among some other choice calls.
My brother in law knows an engine builder that has experience with this problem on this motor and has gotten ford to cover a new motor before from what I am told. Ill be talking with him today among some other choice calls.
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Update: No warranty help at all, no help from dealer. Motor shot, I had no choice but to let the finance company take it back. OUCH.
BEWARE: Anybody buying a used F250 in Socal beware of a silver crew cab F250 FX4 V-10, 77,000 miles. Im guessing some "mechanic" will buy this thing at auction, half-*** fix the valve train and sell it to some unsuspecting buyer. It will be a time bomb! If anybody wants the VIN to make sure they dont buy this truck let me know...
BEWARE: Anybody buying a used F250 in Socal beware of a silver crew cab F250 FX4 V-10, 77,000 miles. Im guessing some "mechanic" will buy this thing at auction, half-*** fix the valve train and sell it to some unsuspecting buyer. It will be a time bomb! If anybody wants the VIN to make sure they dont buy this truck let me know...
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Ford would have "maybe" covered up to $2,000, all I had to do was sign the $8k repair order and cross my fingers...
That just didnt seem like a reasonable option to me.
That just didnt seem like a reasonable option to me.
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Something let the cam shift (grind...) forward till it took out the cam sensor. The resulting metal and plastic carnage made its way thru the whole motor. Cant be many reasons for the cam shaft shifting forward that drastically in the journals can there?
All regular maintenance, plenty of oil getting to the top of that bank according to the techs. They were at a loss...and I got hosed.
All regular maintenance, plenty of oil getting to the top of that bank according to the techs. They were at a loss...and I got hosed.
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"I have my opinions, but they're not good for public reading."
This vehicle is long gone, but I am very curious about your opinions.
Im thinking about picking up another V-10 F250, am I sick...?
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In fact, yes, it would be interesting. Seems like he lost a top end 6 months ago or so, but had the expertise to effect repairs himself. And at the time it just seemed like a one in a million occurence. But now there seem to be a few others.....
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Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it. Glad to hear you're not detecting any particular kind of failure pattern with the 2005+ V10's. The majority of posters on the forums only come because of some difficulty they think they've experienced so its easy to think more about prospective problems than simply revelling in the BSEG factor......
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Tough to prove. Unless the guy has the receipts that say a certain weight oil was used that shouldn't have been.
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My motor made no noise out of the ordinary, towards the end it seemed a minor power loss, then the check engine light, then the bad news... It had all maintenance documented at the ford dealer since new, I was the second owner.
The left bank had zero issues, no visible wear, the right bank had a catastrophic failure. Poor maintenance, bad oil would have both valvetrains damaged...? You can bet the valve covers will be coming off any V-10 Im thinking of buying in the future for a look.
The left bank had zero issues, no visible wear, the right bank had a catastrophic failure. Poor maintenance, bad oil would have both valvetrains damaged...? You can bet the valve covers will be coming off any V-10 Im thinking of buying in the future for a look.
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