I was just wondering if any one had bought and was using either the bullydog or the h&s mini maxx? Any reviews, good news/bad news, no news?

I seen the youtube videos made by Powerlabs Diesel with a H&S mini maxx and a flo pro 5 inch exhaust with no muffler. It sounds a bit like a diesel now haha.

 

Guaranteed to void your warranty.
Why would you do it...???

These units have enough power. I know you can always want more, but why? I can't afford 15-20k to replace an engine.

 

This thing has all the power I need. Don't need a programer. Also, don't want to void my warranty.

 

I don't have one but I've talked to a diesel shop that is very excited to get done with their programs. Currently one of their programs is doing like 560rwhp with nothing additional done to the truck.

 

Just making conversation on programmers and what not. I think it is interesting to hear what the guys that drag race their trucks are getting in hp and tq department and what their quarter mile and 0-60 times are. Seeing what the weaknesses are by adding this hp/tq programmers and by deleting DPF/DEF stuff do the truck and engine. Like we found out when you chip the 6.0 it messed a lot of stuff up.

 

Good point, but looking at the 6.4L engines, there weren't many weaknesses exposed by tuning them.

I'd guess from the high reliability we've seen of the early build models that there won't be a whole lot of weaknesses that can be exposed by tuning. Of course any time you increase power beyond it's engineered output capacity you will shorten the engine's life, but that's pretty much expected no matter what you're tuning.

Most of us seem to be pretty content with our trucks as-is. I think the 6.4L crowd was quick to tune to remedy the abysmal fuel economy that engine had from the factory. This engine has great fuel economy and LOTS of power!

 

exactly...and do not forget that a lot of early 6.0 issues were caused by guys using devices similar in design to the 7.3 tuners. We all know how that turned out...

 

They are beautiful as is. Excited to see what Ford engineered these engines to handle. A CGI engine is new for Ford and I want to see what it is capable of. If it is extreme then we can only wait for it to come stock with 500-700hp and 1000-1500tq and all that with better gas mileage and a good ole factory warranty...OH the possibilities!

 

I too am waiting to hear from someone on this issue.
And while I don't want to void my warranty either, I can't stand the low engine output. I really don't know how anyone can think these trucks are as peppy as they need to be? I can't even see another 120 tuner horsepower being enough to make a difference for average driving. Perhaps a 310 HP extreme tune like available on the 6.4's might be more useful. As it stands now, my rig is just a big Buick. But it is smooth and well balanced, and can tow better than just about anything.
I just need a little more excitement than grandpa's Buick on a Sunday ride to church. My '06 was driven tuned for over 111K miles with ZERO (related) issues, and only certain dealerships ever raised an eyebrow.
But some of you report decent acceleration, so maybe mine has an issue? Bottom line is for some there is enough power, and for others there isn't. Different strokes I guess...
I have been waiting for Spartan to come out with something, or even SCT. I just don't have any experience with BullyDog or H&S/KEM. Anyone try the TS Performance MP-8 Power Play module? I've been thinking about one of these to hold me over until MBRP comes out with another dual exhaust for my F450.

 

IMO I never have trusted out of the box tuners.....just too many variables, custom tunes is the only way to go.

 

Seeing in your signature that you have a 450, then yes your truck is way weaker than what most of us are experiencing. I haven't driven one, but 100 hp less and 4.30 gears has to make it an absolute pig acceleration wise. A 120 hp tune may just come close to catching you up to the SRW boys.

I've spent plenty of time dabbling in diesel performance, but I have no intention of tuning this truck for quite a long time. I know several guys that have the H&S Mini Max tuner that just came out and they have been running the MP-8 box for a while now. For being the first attempt, the tuning seems pretty amazing. It's only going to get better from here. Remember it took almost 2 years before there was decent tuning for the 6.0, then the 6.4 came along and changed the game completely. It was at least 1.5 years before they started making big power with the 6.4s. I would suspect that by this time next year we should be realizing the full potential of this engine along with fully exposing any of it's weaknesses.

Not everybody is into all our performance and I can respect that. I am very interested in it, but I'm not going to jump into the voided warranty pool until I have had at least a year to see what manner of evil it does to these engines. Even at that point I wouldn't go as far as the whole DPF/EGR delete. It looks like they can reach pretty decent power levels and still keep them "legal".

 

I'm interested to see what Spartan is coming out with (as I am sure most Ford guys are). With that being said; I don't plan on doing anything to this truck for quite some time if ever. I did the Smarty thing on My Cummins with several other mods and quickly learned that the transmission needs to be the first upgrade on the Cummins (and I played it safe)

 

As we all know, Pay To Play, so I am excited to see actual numbers and custom tuning available. H&S just released, will have to see how things work out. As far as, we see Xxxxxx amount and are working on it, take 50% of what they said. DYNO graphs can be misleading, take 50% of what you see with skepticism.

I know plenty of 1,000 hp trucks When the 6.0L released we saw about everything, even custom graphs.....

 

720deere, are you implying the 450's have a different tune? Otherwise the 4.30 gearing I have should be helping with off the line acceleration, compared to say a 3.55 gear (all other things being equal). Everyone I've talked to had said only the F550's and up have lower output tuning.

Custom tunes (from SCT) transformed my '06 and made it a joy to drive. I just pulled the trigger on the MP-8, so we'll also see if the small gain of 100 hp/200 tq can be felt. I'm driving down to lower altitudes next week, so we'll see if any of the missing power mysteriously returns just by seeing more air. Also curious if this tuner's increased mileage claims are founded (+2 to +4 mpg). On my '06 out of the box, my best mileage was 13 to 14 initially. After the tuner, dual exhaust, and a few other improvements, I got 22 mpg on a 550 mile trip to Denver and back (4.30 gears). I really had to milk it to get that, but the point is that it was a large improvement that paid for the tuner over time. And yes, one dealer refused to replace the pair of dead batteries because he claimed they failed because I had strayed from the factory design by adding too much power/driveability, thus showing "disrespect" for the "perfection" of the original design. He felt that if it were possible to safely make HP gains on the six-oh, it would have come from the factory that way (LOL).
Most other dealers were pretty fair about it. A few were even willing to sell/install the mods themselves!

I'll probably wait a while before the cat/dpf/muff/urea/egr delete gets done.

 

All cab & chassis models and even the 450 pickup have the 300 hp tune and a different turbo from the pickups. The MP-8 should help you a little, but you aren't going to see anywhere near a 100 hp gain. Most trucks are seeing less than a 50 hp rear wheel gain with the MP-8.

Also, the 4.30 gear may help you tow a load better, but it's not going to make the acceleration feel any better than a 3.55 geared SRW truck even on equal tuning. These trucks don't have near the usable rpm range that the 6.0 has and the 4.30 gear only makes you hit the wall that much sooner. In other words, the gear is going to keep the engine out of it's peak performance range during acceleration, but on the other hand, it helps keep the rpm right where it needs to be for heavy towing.