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I have a 5.0L SBF with roller cam in my 53 F100. I'm on my 2nd or third water pump that I've yet to get to seal and now I wonder if I have the right combination of parts. Either I have the wrong timing cover, the wrong water pump, or the wrong timing cover and water pump? Or maybe it's just a bad design flaw? Basically, there are two bottom bolts that are supposed to seal a sheetmetal cover to the back of the water pump shown in red circles. Is this correct? It seems very flimsy and not likely to form enough pressure to keep things sealed. I also have a bolt that I clearanced the bracket for (I believe the power steering pump?-shown in green circle). This also seems to be a weird situation. The front end brackets came from an 87 T-bird (if I remember correctly)
Clearanced PS bracket
Two bolts through sheetmetal backing plat on water pump screwed into water pump.
I have a 351W in a 1969 Mach 1 Mustang and also in my daily driver 1995 F150. Something isn't correct with your timing cover water pump setup. There shouldn't be that gap between the timing cover and the water pump shown in your lower picture. That gap is the issue, not the two bolts holding the plate to the water pump. I've replaced at a lot of small block Ford water pumps, never had water leak issues.
You obviously have a 1985 or newer 5.0L. Does your timing cover look anything like the one in this link around the water pump area. Note the timing cover has a continuous raised flat surface to seal up against the water pump so more than those two lower bolts will form a seal on the bottom. My first guess is you need a new timing cover. After that is resolved, address that power steering pump bracket if it's still an issue.
It is definitely a mismatch between the timing cover and water pump .
I have an earlier non roller Windsor and those 2 bolts on the rear cover are at the top .
You will need to identify the timing cover and then get the correct water pump to suit .
I have a 351W in a 1969 Mach 1 Mustang and also in my daily driver 1995 F150. Something isn't correct with your timing cover water pump setup. There shouldn't be that gap between the timing cover and the water pump shown in your lower picture. That gap is the issue, not the two bolts holding the plate to the water pump. I've replaced at a lot of small block Ford water pumps, never had water leak issues.
You obviously have a 1985 or newer 5.0L. Does your timing cover look anything like the one in this link around the water pump area. Note the timing cover has a continuous raised flat surface to seal up against the water pump so more than those two lower bolts will form a seal on the bottom. My first guess is you need a new timing cover. After that is resolved, address that power steering pump bracket if it's still an issue.
I sure wish I could remember if it looks like the Summit one or not. I think I'll tear it down again tomorrow and take better pictures of what I have. Obviously, I'd rather replace the water pump instead of the timing cover.
It is definitely a mismatch between the timing cover and water pump .
I have an earlier non roller Windsor and those 2 bolts on the rear cover are at the top .
You will need to identify the timing cover and then get the correct water pump to suit .
OK- I'm going to tear it down tomorrow, so if you'd please give input on tomorrow's pictures, it would be greatly appreciated.
While in there try to determine year of the block(casting numbers) as well as the year of the timing cover(casting numbers). That will differently help figure out what is going on. I agree with the others that there should be no gap on the bottom of your pump. Those two bolts only hold the cover in place while setting the pump then it should have equal pressure around the perimeter from the water pump bolts.
While in there try to determine year of the block(casting numbers) as well as the year of the timing cover(casting numbers). That will differently help figure out what is going on. I agree with the others that there should be no gap on the bottom of your pump. Those two bolts only hold the cover in place while setting the pump then it should have equal pressure around the perimeter from the water pump bolts.
Great link on the covers Seaves.
I didn't like what I saw when I put it in the first 2-3 times ( I lost track). I guess I should have asked sooner.
Back side of pump. Two bolts hold the "sheetmetal cover on, but seem insufficient for sealing. What am I missing here?
The truck currently has timing cover casting # RF-E5AE-6059-FA in it. Apparently, I put it in to accommodate the AC compressor's upper bracket (shown with current water pump...the silver one). Also, apparently, I had timing cover # RF-F87E-6059-AA on the motor prior to this timing cover ( the black water pump goes with this timing cover). The old timing cover and water pump can be put back on, but it would be easier to try to find a water pump that goes with the current timing cover.
You obviously have a 1985 or newer 5.0L. Does your timing cover look anything like the one in this link around the water pump area. Note the timing cover has a continuous raised flat surface to seal up against the water pump so more than those two lower bolts will form a seal on the bottom. My first guess is you need a new timing cover. After that is resolved, address that power steering pump bracket if it's still an issue.
I believe you have a crown vic timing cover which used a standard rotation waterpump, You are putting a reverse rotation pump on it. The reverse rotation cover had different ports. The ford racing cover is made to work with both.
OK....I just remembered the main reason I switched to the current set-up. The snout on the old set-up's water pump didn't stick out far enough for correct tracking of the serpentine belt.
03-30-2017, 12:41 PM
