Too good to be an original and unrestored truck...???
#3
03-31-2009, 01:10 AM
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Well, no there are a number of items that have been added indicating a restoration. First the statement about the plates is hooey. The plate on the truck is NOT an original 1951 YOM plate as "California" is on the bottom of the 51 plate not on the top - so it's a 1963 plate and there are lots of those around.
Also, I don't think Ford installed velour interiors in our trucks in 1951 indicating a restoration on at least the interior. There are no "Extra Cab" features on the truck and yet, the upper inside door panels are present. In order for them to be installed the doors would have to be Extra Cab doors meaning the doors were changed or the rest of the options were taken off. Oak bed is natural and not painted truck color - so it's been redone. Radio antenna is installed yet no radio. Grill is has been repainted - should be ivory or argent.
So, I think the seller is trying to indicate originality, but anyone with 51 knowledge can see that the truck has been through at least an interior restoration and a repaint if not a total restoration - fender welts are all new, so the truck body has been taken apart as well.
It's a very nice looking truck and from what I can see the restoration work is pretty good. Depending on the engine/transmission/rearend/frontend condition, I might pay $15,000 for it in the Bay area! That's a big if.
So it looks like it's all original but it HAS been "touched."
Also, I don't think Ford installed velour interiors in our trucks in 1951 indicating a restoration on at least the interior. There are no "Extra Cab" features on the truck and yet, the upper inside door panels are present. In order for them to be installed the doors would have to be Extra Cab doors meaning the doors were changed or the rest of the options were taken off. Oak bed is natural and not painted truck color - so it's been redone. Radio antenna is installed yet no radio. Grill is has been repainted - should be ivory or argent.
So, I think the seller is trying to indicate originality, but anyone with 51 knowledge can see that the truck has been through at least an interior restoration and a repaint if not a total restoration - fender welts are all new, so the truck body has been taken apart as well.
It's a very nice looking truck and from what I can see the restoration work is pretty good. Depending on the engine/transmission/rearend/frontend condition, I might pay $15,000 for it in the Bay area! That's a big if.
So it looks like it's all original but it HAS been "touched."
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03-31-2009, 01:46 AM
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03-31-2009, 02:07 AM
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Also notice no engine bay photos and the tail lights are wrong and the antenna on the wrong side of the cab. When they decide to paint the town red the truck must of gotten in the way. Note to Julie, it took me 5 min. to figure out what argent was, why not just say silver? LOL.
I guess we have just been so Ford-o-mised! Like Vermillion! (which some folks on this site still believe is a small furry creature like a gopher)
Besides Argent if French for Silver!! le France - it's so "Continental!"
I guess techanically speaking - all things in exact order etc etc. There's probably more colors of silver than there are white or black. I think the term Argent was used because this silver was a little darker grayish than regular silver, or you know, that cheezy Italian silver.
#6
03-31-2009, 04:48 AM
Based on what I see the truck is worth the money considering some of the other stuff out there and I have re-read the listing three times and no where can I find where the lister say the truck is all original or un-restored. He syas it is an original black plate truck which it is, not YOM plate but still it would have had a black plate. Clean truck.
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03-31-2009, 08:19 AM
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#9
03-31-2009, 08:32 AM
Take a look at the front plate on this truck and see how banged up it is...no way to get that much damage to a plate and none to the truck it's mounted on. It's kinda like the TV commercials where they show the car on fire and then sell it as being "HOT!" or the flood recovery vehicle that is advertised as having a new interior. I don't think that this seller is being blatantly deceptive but they sure are doing a dance around the truth. I don't know how many times that I have "interpreted" a statement the way that I WANTED it to read instead of the way it was actually written. Whatever the case, $15K is a lot of cash for an old truck in this economy...and we LIKE old trucks!
#10
03-31-2009, 08:34 AM
How many of y'all noticed the bed wood?
As original, it was PAINTED body color.
It was not stained, it was not varnished, it was not varathaned, it was not polyurathaned.
A vehicle is only original ONCE.
Restored to original usually doesn't cut it, as many people who do this over-restore it...by doing things that Ford never did, never thought about doing.
As original, it was PAINTED body color.
It was not stained, it was not varnished, it was not varathaned, it was not polyurathaned.
A vehicle is only original ONCE.
Restored to original usually doesn't cut it, as many people who do this over-restore it...by doing things that Ford never did, never thought about doing.
#11
03-31-2009, 08:34 AM
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The logo is missing on the upper grille, the bed wood should be black, I have never seen a 51-52 with rear fender welt... never seen welt on the running board edges either, but I like it! A beautiful truck, if he can't get that kind of money for it, and it's as good as it appears, I'll be disappointed.
Check out the heater -- anyone recognize it?
Check out the heater -- anyone recognize it?
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03-31-2009, 08:37 AM
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03-31-2009, 11:20 AM
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Based on what I see the truck is worth the money considering some of the other stuff out there and I have re-read the listing three times and no where can I find where the lister say the truck is all original or un-restored. He syas it is an original black plate truck which it is, not YOM plate but still it would have had a black plate. Clean truck.
What he says is "This is one of the last original BLACK PLATE California jewels out there." This doesn't imply, it flat out says that it is the "original" black plate or if I'm misreading the inflection that the truck is "Original" - neither of which is even close to true. The original black plate (since we know it has only had one family it is a California truck) would have been a 1951 Plate. This plate was issued in 1963/4 and unless the truck sat unregistered from 1951 to 1963, this is not "THE ORIGINAL" black plate that was issued for the truck - what's the diff, about $400 in value (and it is my impression this seller is trying to convince you it is there and it's not) and the rarity the seller speaks of. "Original" and "Never been tampered with?" Torro Guano!
I think Charlie was extremely gracious by giving this seller credit for "dancing around the truth." I think to the add is at best almost "totally inaccurate", and would take advantage of the lay persons ignorance. The truck has OBVIOUSLY been through a restoration, which I would consider his statement "It has never been tampered with" complete BS. If in fact this truck has been only in his family then he knows it's been through a restoration - the intent is to make the impression to the potential buyer that this truck has not been reworked. That's a false impression he has generated and it's deliberate. I guess it depends on how PC you want to be. You can call it BS or "close to the truth" - whatever you want - depends on your definition of what constitutes a "lie." As far as I'm concerned this guy is there with that add.
How many of y'all noticed the bed wood?
As original, it was PAINTED body color.
It was not stained, it was not varnished, it was not varathaned, it was not polyurathaned.
A vehicle is only original ONCE.
Restored to original usually doesn't cut it, as many people who do this over-restore it...by doing things that Ford never did, never thought about doing.
As original, it was PAINTED body color.
It was not stained, it was not varnished, it was not varathaned, it was not polyurathaned.
A vehicle is only original ONCE.
Restored to original usually doesn't cut it, as many people who do this over-restore it...by doing things that Ford never did, never thought about doing.