General Diesel Discussion  
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

SCR and Urea

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 12-10-2008, 06:10 PM
powerstroke72's Avatar
powerstroke72
powerstroke72 is offline
Super Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: SW Virginia
Posts: 24,308
Received 35 Likes on 21 Posts
SCR and Urea

Here's an interesting article I found today about the upcoming 2010 emissions standards and Urea injection:

Everything You Wanted to Know About Urea But Were Afraid to Ask - PickupTrucks.com News

Facts About SCR

Could be making its way to a diesel near you?
 
  #2  
Old 12-10-2008, 07:07 PM
senix's Avatar
senix
senix is offline
Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Frederick, MD
Posts: 36,598
Received 1,417 Likes on 1,012 Posts
scary to say the least.
 
  #3  
Old 12-12-2008, 06:50 PM
rob_nc's Avatar
rob_nc
rob_nc is offline
Posting Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 1,082
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It's not that scary. I've been testing this technology since 2000. It will do everything they say it does and the best part about it is the return of decent fuel economy.
 
  #4  
Old 12-13-2008, 10:41 AM
Bowie's Avatar
Bowie
Bowie is offline
Elder User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Prosper, TX
Posts: 686
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
so will the new truck have a dpf and urea?
 
  #5  
Old 12-13-2008, 03:34 PM
rob_nc's Avatar
rob_nc
rob_nc is offline
Posting Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 1,082
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Bowie
so will the new truck have a dpf and urea?

Yes, they will have both. The dpf will likely regenerate passively more often that actively.
 
  #6  
Old 12-15-2008, 04:24 PM
Bowie's Avatar
Bowie
Bowie is offline
Elder User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Prosper, TX
Posts: 686
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ok that makes sense then, not as many forced regens
 
  #7  
Old 12-22-2008, 11:15 AM
starmilt's Avatar
starmilt
starmilt is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Faibanks Ak.
Posts: 10,501
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Making ammonia in your exhaust is that like going from R12 to134A and a warning on the can that this stuff will kill anything big enough to die.
 
  #8  
Old 12-22-2008, 07:56 PM
rob_nc's Avatar
rob_nc
rob_nc is offline
Posting Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 1,082
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by starmilt
Making ammonia in your exhaust is that like going from R12 to134A and a warning on the can that this stuff will kill anything big enough to die.

If the system is working properly, ammonia will never be released to the atmosphere. The by-product of this technology is nitrogen gas and water.
 
  #9  
Old 12-23-2008, 07:16 PM
Bowie's Avatar
Bowie
Bowie is offline
Elder User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Prosper, TX
Posts: 686
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Nothing works perfect though. So I wonder how they will deal with failures.
 
  #10  
Old 12-24-2008, 05:15 AM
fonefiddy's Avatar
fonefiddy
fonefiddy is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Duluth, Mn.
Posts: 2,585
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I hate to say it, but if this compound is publicly, easily, and readily available, there's gonna be some Evil Do'er (thanks GWB ) that will use it for ill intentions.

So eventually, You'll have to have some kind of security clearance, monitoring system, or other regulation to buy it?
 
  #11  
Old 12-24-2008, 09:08 AM
tex25025's Avatar
tex25025
tex25025 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Plano TX and Brentwood TN
Posts: 10,626
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by fonefiddy
I hate to say it, but if this compound is publicly, easily, and readily available, there's gonna be some Evil Do'er (thanks GWB ) that will use it for ill intentions.
It's already available out there. Not exactly the same thing, but all the components are available and very easy to get your hands on. Rather or not someone could fashion it into a bad thing will depend on their knowledge, but that's the case really no matter what your talking about.
 
  #12  
Old 12-24-2008, 12:24 PM
Frankenbiker's Avatar
Frankenbiker
Frankenbiker is offline
Posting Guru
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,741
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by Bowie
Nothing works perfect though. So I wonder how they will deal with failures.
Simple. Two ways: 1) severely reduced engine power. 2) complete engine shutdown.

If there's a failure in the system, or urea levels get too low, the ECM will reduce engine power (as a "punishment" to the driver, I've been told), to keep the engine within limits. If the operator continues operation, with the failure still present, the engine will simply refuse to start, or shut down.

Mandated by the EPA for 2010.

-blaine
 
  #13  
Old 12-24-2008, 02:18 PM
fonefiddy's Avatar
fonefiddy
fonefiddy is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Duluth, Mn.
Posts: 2,585
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by tex25025
It's already available out there. Not exactly the same thing, but all the components are available and very easy to get your hands on. Rather or not someone could fashion it into a bad thing will depend on their knowledge, but that's the case really no matter what your talking about.
Yeah, I know. But they've restricted access to the most commonly available sources.
 
  #14  
Old 12-25-2008, 09:15 AM
rob_nc's Avatar
rob_nc
rob_nc is offline
Posting Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 1,082
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Frankenbiker
Simple. Two ways: 1) severely reduced engine power. 2) complete engine shutdown.

If there's a failure in the system, or urea levels get too low, the ECM will reduce engine power (as a "punishment" to the driver, I've been told), to keep the engine within limits. If the operator continues operation, with the failure still present, the engine will simply refuse to start, or shut down.

Mandated by the EPA for 2010.

-blaine

Blaine is correct. There will be driver "inducement" features that are part of OBDII.
 
  #15  
Old 12-25-2008, 09:22 AM
rob_nc's Avatar
rob_nc
rob_nc is offline
Posting Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 1,082
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by fonefiddy
I hate to say it, but if this compound is publicly, easily, and readily available, there's gonna be some Evil Do'er (thanks GWB ) that will use it for ill intentions.

So eventually, You'll have to have some kind of security clearance, monitoring system, or other regulation to buy it?

About the only ill intention you could do with it is paint obscenities in your neighbors yard with it. It will kill grass like Roundup at 32.5% concentration. Dilute it and it will grow grass like crazy!
 


Quick Reply: SCR and Urea



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:04 AM.