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Old 12-02-2008, 08:54 PM
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Modern Gas and Carburetors

I understand that the way gas is blended today is much different than it was 20 years ago. And that was also about the time everything started going to fuel injection. What effect, if any, does modern gas have on carburetors and tuning?
 
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Old 12-02-2008, 10:41 PM
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Alcohol in new gas attacks gaskets, rubber seals. real PITA. lots of rebuild kits are available that withstand the new fuel.
 
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:34 PM
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Feel compelled to add this even though its not "ford truck related". the new fuel is BAD on 2 stroke engines, it has resulted on a no start cond. on my outboard motors. the fuel attacks the rubber tips on float bowl needle valves, making them stick in the closed position shutting off the fuel flow. Had to rebuild the carbs on my 50hp mercury outboard, now I always run the fuel out of the carbs before trailering the boat. I would recomend doing this w/ all 2 strokes, lawn equip etc...........Havent had a problem since doing this after every use...........Hope this saves somebodys fishing trip!
 
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I have gotten to the place that I add a few ounces of Marvel Mystery to my rigs fuel tank when I fill up. I believe it keeps stuff lubed a little. With in tank electric fuel pumps I believe it gives them longer life. I no longer have 2 cycle stuff so I can't suggest any help there.
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Originally Posted by kermmydog
I have gotten to the place that I add a few ounces of Marvel Mystery to my rigs fuel tank when I fill up. I believe it keeps stuff lubed a little. With in tank electric fuel pumps I believe it gives them longer life. I no longer have 2 cycle stuff so I can't suggest any help there.
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I maintain 2 stroke outboards because, frankly the 4 strokes are dogs, slow and heavy. 2 stroke of same HP runs away from them. I will have to try that M/M on other stuff!
 
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I maintain 2 stroke outboards because, frankly the 4 strokes are dogs, slow and heavy. 2 stroke of same HP runs away from them. I will have to try that M/M on other stuff!
Yea I understand about 2 cycles your correct. I just don't have a suggestion for the gas problem with this modern gas. Maybe that is in part why 2 cycles are getting harder to buy. I understand they claimed pollution problems on lakes etc. Maybe they have decided to make this junk gas so that will discourage people from running them. Can't ever tell about the powers to be these days.
If you find a cure please post it so we will have an answer.
Thanks, Craig
 
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I guess you have to buy the alcohol resistant rebuild kits and run the fuel out of the carbs before putting the engines up for more than a few days. Wonder if people with 2 stroke motor cycles have the same problems?
 
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one ounce per gallon mixture of 2 stroke oil helps my race quads (4 stroke) carbs stay "lubed" and happy. no rubber failures yet.
 
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It's true that todays gas on older carb vehicles can cause issues. Usually it deformes, cracks, and some times shrinks seals. Like Carbs on accelerator pumps, and where you may have O-rings. Lots of stuff used Rubber, Buna-n type seals Which were never really designed for 90%gas/10% Ethanol Alcohal mix. Buna-n holds up to gas and alcholal but over time it can deform.

Viton seals and gaskets are impervious to alcohals, as well as moisture and solvents.


Holly 4150/4160 Ethanol kits
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Originally Posted by Don S.
It's true that todays gas on older carb vehicles can cause issues. Usually it deformes, cracks, and some times shrinks seals. Like Carbs on accelerator pumps, and where you may have O-rings. Lots of stuff used Rubber, Buna-n type seals Which were never really designed for 90%gas/10% Ethanol Alcohal mix. Buna-n holds up to gas and alcholal but over time it can deform.

Viton seals and gaskets are impervious to alcohals, as well as moisture and solvents.


Holly 4150/4160 Ethanol kits
13141R
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135-10
Thats why any hydraulic pump/cylinder of any quality has viton seals, they hold up to anything. Wonder if any kits are now available for 2 stroke marine engines?
 
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Thats why any hydraulic pump/cylinder of any quality has viton seals, they hold up to anything. Wonder if any kits are now available for 2 stroke marine engines?
I know what your talking about there, The float needles in my 100Hp Evenrude are shot and I have to rebuild the carbs, not real hard just have to do it twice since I have two 2 barrel carbs.

Also Ethanol for two storkes isbad also cause of Phase seperation which can cause you to burn cylinders.

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Phase Separation in ethanol-blended gasoline, however, can be more damaging than in MTBE blends and straight gasoline. When phase separation occurs in an ethanol blended gasoline, the water will actually begin to remove the ethanol from the gasoline. Therefore, the second phase which can occur in ethanol blends contains both ethanol and water, as opposed to just water in MTBE blends and conventional gasoline. In the case of two-stroke engines, this water-ethanol phase will compete with the blended oil for bonding to the metal engine parts. Therefore, the engine will not have enough lubrication, and engine damage may result.
 
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Well we can always buy the " clear" (non blended) fuel,..........FOR AT LEAST 1.00gal more! I just dont like 4stroke outboards for main power, they are SLOW.
 
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I have also seen a bit of auto trans fluid added for a good lubricant/cleaner in AVGAS. May work well in this ethanol crap as well.
 
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Yeah I hate this Ethanol crap. It's a load of Bullsh**, It is just another way enviornmental wakaloos and government can force you to buy newer cars, and get older vehicles off the road.
 
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i have 2 brand new Holley 4 barrels that are garbage from the "new and improved" gas. the welder and snowblower get drained and run dry after each use to prevent them from not running when needed.
and you can not buy pure gas in New Jersey any more. anything sold here after 10/01/07 must be at least E-10
 


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