F-1 Strange Hood Ornament
#16
HEY That's IT...Give the lady a Cigar!
I'm glad you posted your pictures! Now I can see what it looks like on the truck BEFORE I drill holes in my hood for it. I like it!
I like your truck too. Love the front bumper! Looks like you have the separate brake/running lights and a second set for signals. Rust wise it looks to be in great shape.
You have a great drive train combination too.
Where to start???? I always like to get the guts 100% first. If you are not doing a frame off, I'd get the drive train (engine tranny and rear end) done first; then work on running gear (brakes, bearings, steering, shocks, wheels, tires); then electrical; body (doors and windows first; cab hood then bed); paint; then bed planking/chrome/seals. But that's just my own preference. It's always more fun to restore, and seems to soften (make worthwhile) the expense if you can drive it while you do it!
PS... caviot to what I just said. If you are changing out your front end to something like a Mustang II or Volare, do that while your engine is out.
I'm glad you posted your pictures! Now I can see what it looks like on the truck BEFORE I drill holes in my hood for it. I like it!
I like your truck too. Love the front bumper! Looks like you have the separate brake/running lights and a second set for signals. Rust wise it looks to be in great shape.
You have a great drive train combination too.
Where to start???? I always like to get the guts 100% first. If you are not doing a frame off, I'd get the drive train (engine tranny and rear end) done first; then work on running gear (brakes, bearings, steering, shocks, wheels, tires); then electrical; body (doors and windows first; cab hood then bed); paint; then bed planking/chrome/seals. But that's just my own preference. It's always more fun to restore, and seems to soften (make worthwhile) the expense if you can drive it while you do it!
PS... caviot to what I just said. If you are changing out your front end to something like a Mustang II or Volare, do that while your engine is out.
#17
PS! Take the Misses up to Home depot IN Agetha to get the Home Improvement materials, and after you get score of people giving you the thumbs up and "cool truck," I would venture to say there MAY be a slight tolerance for "Agetha Dollars!"
But, I'm just a girl, what do I know - tee hee!
J!
But, I'm just a girl, what do I know - tee hee!
J!
#18
Take a look at the grille bars and the parking lamps on this car.
This is a late 1947 or 1948 Ford.
Early 1947's and 1946's have rectangular parking lamps, which are mounted on the panel adjacent to the hood. The grille bars have an indented line painted red, the Ford name on the upper center grille bar is also painted red.
Late 1947's and 1948's have smooth grille bars, the Ford name is painted blue.
Early 1947's and 1946's have a different hood ornament (51C-16850-A). It's not the same as late 1947's and 1948's used (6A-16850-A). There is no plastic insert, and at the very front of it is a removable cloisonne emblem that has a chrome 6 or 8 surrounded by red enamel.
I've owned three early 1947 Woodies. The last one I owned was purchased from the original owner in 1968 for $500.00. It was all original except for the paint, had all three seats (usually the 3rd row is missing), and it had the optional Columbia 2 speed rear end. Today, this Woody is worth over 50 grand!
This is a late 1947 or 1948 Ford.
Early 1947's and 1946's have rectangular parking lamps, which are mounted on the panel adjacent to the hood. The grille bars have an indented line painted red, the Ford name on the upper center grille bar is also painted red.
Late 1947's and 1948's have smooth grille bars, the Ford name is painted blue.
Early 1947's and 1946's have a different hood ornament (51C-16850-A). It's not the same as late 1947's and 1948's used (6A-16850-A). There is no plastic insert, and at the very front of it is a removable cloisonne emblem that has a chrome 6 or 8 surrounded by red enamel.
I've owned three early 1947 Woodies. The last one I owned was purchased from the original owner in 1968 for $500.00. It was all original except for the paint, had all three seats (usually the 3rd row is missing), and it had the optional Columbia 2 speed rear end. Today, this Woody is worth over 50 grand!
#19
Looks like Julies Cool F1 might have come up trumps with Karate Kid '47 Ford Hood Ornament...
Here is a link to some photo's of "Agatha". (Having issues with uploading pics into the thread).
Picasa Web Albums - Flying - Ford 1951 F-1...
She's been sat around for around 8 years in pale grey/pink primer, has a 351 Windsor with C4 Trans and 9inch Diff bolted on underneath. As you can see from the pics there are plenty of things that need doing. She runs and drives and just needs a really good tidy up and paint job. I'm not looking to build her into a show truck, something practical that can be weekend fun is more my style.
Am completely open to suggestions on where to start, please just keep in mind that the misses let buy Agatha on the stipulation that all funds for the next 6 months go into home improvement projects! Anything cheap I'm up for in the short term...
Enjoy...
Here is a link to some photo's of "Agatha". (Having issues with uploading pics into the thread).
Picasa Web Albums - Flying - Ford 1951 F-1...
She's been sat around for around 8 years in pale grey/pink primer, has a 351 Windsor with C4 Trans and 9inch Diff bolted on underneath. As you can see from the pics there are plenty of things that need doing. She runs and drives and just needs a really good tidy up and paint job. I'm not looking to build her into a show truck, something practical that can be weekend fun is more my style.
Am completely open to suggestions on where to start, please just keep in mind that the misses let buy Agatha on the stipulation that all funds for the next 6 months go into home improvement projects! Anything cheap I'm up for in the short term...
Enjoy...
Hey I have that same hood ornament on my 51! Only the plastic insert is broken.
#20
I ran this Ford part number on the obsolete parts locator system, no one has it, but I believe it has been reproduced, by whom I forget.
Contact vintageford.com (Sacramento Vintage Ford Parts), maybe they know.
#22
Welcome to FTE
Post the picture. I've been in the car hobby for over 50 years and have collected hood ornaments almost that long. I have over 2,000 books on auto history including 7 specialized books just on ornaments, so there's a 95% chance I can ID it down to the exact yr/model it was used on.
Look on the inside of the ornament for numbers: If from FoMoCo, there will be an ID, or even the exact part number (But I doubt it's anything Ford from the description).
If GM, it will have a 7 digit number. Chrysler Products have a number, MoPar with D, D, C, & P in a square: Dodge, DeSoto, Chrysler & Plymouth.
If Packard, the part number will be a 6 digits beginning with a 3. 1941/42's offered a Art Deco styled ornament featuring a long piece of plastic (not glass) mounted in a chrome base. This is not the Pelican ornament.
If Studebaker, it will also have a 6 digit number beginning with a 3.
Post the picture. I've been in the car hobby for over 50 years and have collected hood ornaments almost that long. I have over 2,000 books on auto history including 7 specialized books just on ornaments, so there's a 95% chance I can ID it down to the exact yr/model it was used on.
Look on the inside of the ornament for numbers: If from FoMoCo, there will be an ID, or even the exact part number (But I doubt it's anything Ford from the description).
If GM, it will have a 7 digit number. Chrysler Products have a number, MoPar with D, D, C, & P in a square: Dodge, DeSoto, Chrysler & Plymouth.
If Packard, the part number will be a 6 digits beginning with a 3. 1941/42's offered a Art Deco styled ornament featuring a long piece of plastic (not glass) mounted in a chrome base. This is not the Pelican ornament.
If Studebaker, it will also have a 6 digit number beginning with a 3.
I'll have to post my hood-ornament-to-be for you to ID. My hood came with a ragged hole where it appears that a previous hood ornament was literally ripped off. I'm going to repair the hole and put on an airplane-style ornament to honor the aircraft I used to fly. I'm not sure what I have - it was an ebay find.
ferrociousness,
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Robert (ops32)
#23
Bob, thanks for posting the part numbers and details where I can replace the insert. As you can see the one I have is pretty crazed with the sun beating down on it in the SE for the past 57 years! The outer part will need to be cleaned up and re-chromed...
...Speaking of re-chroming, I know the headlight surrounds on the 51-53 F-1s are Stainless, does anyone know if the section with the knuckles between the headlights is Stainless Steel (I'm thinking it isn't) as well? If not I guess I'm removing the paint and sending the section out for chroming too.
Thanks again for everyone's effort in trying to ID the hood ornament...
Ferrociousness.
...Speaking of re-chroming, I know the headlight surrounds on the 51-53 F-1s are Stainless, does anyone know if the section with the knuckles between the headlights is Stainless Steel (I'm thinking it isn't) as well? If not I guess I'm removing the paint and sending the section out for chroming too.
Thanks again for everyone's effort in trying to ID the hood ornament...
Ferrociousness.
#24
NumberDummy,
I'll have to post my hood-ornament-to-be for you to ID. My hood came with a ragged hole where it appears that a previous hood ornament was literally ripped off. I'm going to repair the hole and put on an airplane-style ornament to honor the aircraft I used to fly. I'm not sure what I have - it was an ebay find. Robert (ops32)
I'll have to post my hood-ornament-to-be for you to ID. My hood came with a ragged hole where it appears that a previous hood ornament was literally ripped off. I'm going to repair the hole and put on an airplane-style ornament to honor the aircraft I used to fly. I'm not sure what I have - it was an ebay find. Robert (ops32)
One of the most popular aftermarket airplane hood ornament for many years was copied from the Ryan Aircraft's Spirit of St. Louis.
Flown across the Atlantic in 1927 by you know who.
#25
That's where I got the picture I posted earlier in this thread.
Here's a link :
eBay Motors: Blue Hood Ornament Insert 1947 1948 Ford (item 200246490376 end time Aug-20-08 11:13:02 PDT)
Julie!
#26
Bob, thanks for posting the part numbers and details where I can replace the insert. As you can see the one I have is pretty crazed with the sun beating down on it in the SE for the past 57 years! The outer part will need to be cleaned up and re-chromed...
...Speaking of re-chroming, I know the headlight surrounds on the 51-53 F-1s are Stainless, does anyone know if the section with the knuckles between the headlights is Stainless Steel (I'm thinking it isn't) as well? If not I guess I'm removing the paint and sending the section out for chroming too.
Thanks again for everyone's effort in trying to ID the hood ornament...
Ferrociousness.
...Speaking of re-chroming, I know the headlight surrounds on the 51-53 F-1s are Stainless, does anyone know if the section with the knuckles between the headlights is Stainless Steel (I'm thinking it isn't) as well? If not I guess I'm removing the paint and sending the section out for chroming too.
Thanks again for everyone's effort in trying to ID the hood ornament...
Ferrociousness.
J!
#27
I've seen everything from 1948 thru 1966 truck & car headlamp doors done in chrome, while the originals were stainless, anodized aluminum or painted.
Whitney also sold replacement hubcaps for these trucks. They look like the originals, but instead of the block letters F O R D, the caps have F O O O, F O D R, or F R O D on them.
#28
Robert
#30
The hood ornament was one of the first things I bought after getting the truck. The thing doesn't run and is in bad shape but I got a hood ornament for it!
Too bad almost all of "my" airplanes are in the boneyard. When I get my truck done I'd like to get a pic of it in front of an airplane. I guess I'll have to look for one of the same vintage.