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Old 06-07-2007, 10:17 PM
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Doesn't have a whole lot to do with '09 F150, but then again maybe it does. Did anyone hear about the latest J.D. Powers quality survey? Just heard bit's and pieces on the radio but the gist was that Ford kicked Toyota's butt and hands down won overall in 5 of the 19 categories. Sure is nice to hear some good news for the American auto industry!
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That's because FORD"s the best.. I couldn't ask for better quality in my trucks.. Everything is perfect and just the way i like it. thats why they say, "The Best NEVER RESTS".
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I love my fords, but I am kind of suprised. I thought toyota would honestly beat the hell out of fords in quality! Definatly good news though, go ford!
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I love my fords, but I am kind of suprised. I thought toyota would honestly beat the hell out of fords in quality! Definatly good news though, go ford!
yea right that can't even build engines right The Americans are building REAL trucks.. The Japenese are just building cars with bed on them.. and FYI the days of Toytota's "superior" ( and i use that extremly loosely) quality are over...man i love seeing them fall flat on their face.. Built Ford tough!!! Americans will make the right choice and pick who is better. and the average Joe doesn't give a DAMN about "horsepower'' and "big Brakes"
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yea right that can't even build engines right The Americans are building REAL trucks.. The Japanese are just building cars with bed on them.. and FYI the days of Toytota's "superior" ( and i use that extremly loosely) quality are over...man i love seeing them fall flat on their face.. Built Ford tough!!! Americans will make the right choice and pick who is better. and the average Joe doesn't give a DAMN about "horsepower'' and "big Brakes"
Nephew, I'm sorry to say this, but you are delusional if you think this survey will affect Toyota one dang bit. While we as Ford owners/enthusiasts know that Toyota overall builds the same quality vehicles as Ford, Chrysler and GM, the general public as a whole could care less, and will keep right on buying Toyota's. Old habits are hard to break. 95% of the car buying public never pays any attention to surveys, most of which are flawed. Any publication that takes advertising dollars from auto manufacturers isn't going to be fair. And the only one that doesn't = Consumer Reports, has been in bed with Honda and Toyota for years.
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Toyota can build an engine. Hell I used to have a 1977 corolla when i was 16, about 12 years ago, and i still see the car on the road. Granted its not a truck, but thats quality!

By the way, the average joe, cares a ton about horespower and braking. Checkout the forums in this site. Tons of guys are trying to find more horsepower and better braking.
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Read all about it: jdpower.com

Ford vehicles that improved the most in the J. D. Power 2007 Initial Quality Survey were Land Rover and Jaguar, both of which are built in England.

Lincoln had the highest improvement of Fords built in North America.

Read what the J. D. Power charts say about Ford quality vs Toyota quality. Toyota is ahead of Ford in almost every catagory.

Who believes this crappola?

A survey of the owners who fill out these "surveys" would be an interesting read in itself. I doubt very many of them watch FOX News, if you catch my drift.


Personally, I believe this, and every survey is a bunch of Caca del Toro. The TRUE test of quality is how long the vehicle lasts. How many 1960's - 1970's Toyota's, Honda's, and Nissan's have y'all seen recently?
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Personally, I believe this, and every survey is a bunch of Caca del Toro. The TRUE test of quality is how long the vehicle lasts. How many 1960's - 1970's Toyota's, Honda's, and Nissan's have y'all seen recently?

actually none to be quite honest with you.. but yea i know they "last" but so do imho Ford's.

and what's wrong with Fox news thats the only news i watch lol
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actually none to be quite honest with you.. but yea i know they "last" but so do imho Ford's.

and what's wrong with Fox news thats the only news i watch lol
Nothing is wrong with FOX News, you missed my point. You may not see too many liberals, tree-huggers or left-wingers (admitting to) watching FOX News.

As I pointed out, I would rather read surveys about the people themselves that actually fill out these auto related surveys.
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Toyota can build an engine. Hell I used to have a 1977 corolla when i was 16, about 12 years ago, and i still see the car on the road. Granted its not a truck, but thats quality!

By the way, the average joe, cares a ton about horespower and braking. Checkout the forums in this site. Tons of guys are trying to find more horsepower and better braking.
I was only talking about thier new 5.7 with cam faluires.. i know toy builds good motors.. they all have thier good ones and thier bad ones.. and while that's good and all about your toyota. we have a 63 or 65 cant' remeber which Buick Electra 225 all stock sitting in the back yard that still RUNS and still plated. so that means nothing.

Those aren't average Joe's either talking on this forum.. most of the average Joe's don't belong to a car forum. and most aren't looking for more power and big brakes. I own a 4.6, 4.9, and 7.3 and i aint looking for more power outta any of them
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Nothing is wrong with FOX News, you missed my point. You may not see too many liberals, tree-huggers or left-wingers (admitting to) watching FOX News.

As I pointed out, I would rather read surveys about the people themselves that actually fill out surveys.
i know what you ment i was signifying.. Bill you know i dont care what the survey's say i'm going to buy what i want regardless. and these are flawed because of the way they are conducted. if they had a survey where a certain percentage of owners affect a certain percentage of the cars sold then i would believe. but it is severly off balance. and you said it best. how can a Grand Marquis be more reliable than a Crown Vic?
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I was only talking about thier new 5.7 with cam faluires.. i know toy builds good motors.. they all have thier good ones and thier bad ones.. and while that's good and all about your toyota. we have a 63 or 65 cant' remeber which Buick Electra 225 all stock sitting in the back yard that still RUNS and still plated. so that means nothing.

Those aren't average Joe's either talking on this forum.. most of the average Joe's don't belong to a car forum. and most aren't looking for more power and big brakes. I own a 4.6, 4.9, and 7.3 and i aint looking for more power outta any of them
You can't make a supposition about whether the "average Joe" wants bigger brakes, more power or not. That's your opinion. Unless you have a crystal ball, tea leaves, mystic powers, or can read minds, how do you know what the average Joe wants?


Read thru the myriad posts in the various Ford vs the Competition forums. There seems to be quite a few ppl that want more power and bigger brakes, mainly on the upcoming 2009 F150.


I'm on four other truck related forums besides FTE. Most ppl on those forums DO want more power and better brakes. The other forums I'm on are Chevrolet (2), Dodge, and Titan related.
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i know what you ment i was signifying.. Bill you know i dont care what the survey's say i'm going to buy what i want regardless. and these are flawed because of the way they are conducted. if they had a survey where a certain percentage of owners affect a certain percentage of the cars sold then i would believe. but it is severly off balance. and you said it best. how can a Grand Marquis be more reliable than a Crown Vic?
Why does the Grand Marquis have a better reputation than the Crown Vic?

Here's a couple of reasons. How many Mercury Grand Marquis Police Cars have you seen? How many Mercury Grand Marquis Taxi Cabs have you seen?


The Crown Vic is used extensively as a fleet vehicle, while the Grand Marquis is mainly bought by Elmer Fudds like myself. In one year, the average CV used as a fleet vehicle will have 1000's more miles put on it, than Elmer Fudds Mercury.


Owners of fleet vehicles fill out surveys, too.
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noone pays the mags any attention when the competition is on top, now that ford is, all the mags have validity.
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You can't make a supposition about whether the "average Joe" wants bigger brakes, more power or not. That's your opinion. Unless you have a crystal ball, tea leaves, mystic powers, or can read minds, how do you know what the average Joe wants?


Read thru the myriad posts in the various Ford vs the Competition forums. There seems to be quite a few ppl that want more power and bigger brakes, mainly on the upcoming 2009 F150.


I'm on four other truck related forums besides FTE. Most ppl on those forums DO want more power and better brakes. The other forums I'm on are Chevrolet (2), Dodge, and Titan related.
you just love giving me a hard time don't you??? of course i have mystic powers and tea leaves and a crystal ball who doesn't? i'm not saying that they DONT need more power and brakes. but most consumers dont really care they are ALL over what a normal consumer will use them for anyway. Yes the F150 does need improvement and they will get it.. I just don't understand why everytime i come to the comp forum my trucks getting bashed. EVERYONE I have met in person has LOVED their F150 and had no compliants about it.
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