Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Diesel > Bio-diesel, Propane & Alternative Diesel Engine Fuels
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


Welcome to Ford-Trucks Forums!
Welcome to Ford-Trucks.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Ford-Trucks Forums community today!





 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 01-25-2007, 03:17 AM
Florida F250 Florida F250 is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 23
Florida F250 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Jet Fuel

I have searched the forum for info on the use of jet fuel in diesel engines. Is there any definitive info on its use and the need to mix it with diesel or oil to increase its lubrication and prevent engine damage? Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-25-2007, 07:43 AM
flyboyd8 flyboyd8 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 105
flyboyd8 is starting off with a positive reputation.
search the IDI forum also, I think it came up a couple moths ago there.
__________________
Ken, Central NY
Mighty Pre-94, (93) F250, 2wd, 7.3 N/A, E4OD, 3.55, ext. cab, 363K 5-14, hit 333,333.33 on 6-12-11 @ 2:14PM EST, Last 193k on WVO.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-25-2007, 09:44 AM
Phydeaux88's Avatar
Phydeaux88 Phydeaux88 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: South Texas Coast
Posts: 1,569
Phydeaux88 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Phydeaux88 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Florida F250
I have searched the forum for info on the use of jet fuel in diesel engines. Is there any definitive info on its use and the need to mix it with diesel or oil to increase its lubrication and prevent engine damage? Thanks.
Jet fuel is highly refined kerosene. As such it will run in a diesel with no problem BUT it has no intrinsic lubricity, like #2 diesel has, so it is essential to us an additive.
A good additive would be Biodiesel.

Don't use #2 as an additive because all you can get these days is that ULSD stuff and it also needs an additive to boost lubricity.
__________________
2006 F350 4X4 Crew Cab King Ranch edition strictly factory, for now.

Last edited by Phydeaux88; 01-25-2007 at 09:55 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-29-2007, 08:57 PM
mongo75's Avatar
mongo75 mongo75 is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Ca
Posts: 3,754
mongo75 is a name known to allmongo75 is a name known to allmongo75 is a name known to allmongo75 is a name known to allmongo75 is a name known to allmongo75 is a name known to all
danny jones
Florida- I've used JP-5 before, but usually I only put 4-5 gallons at a time into about 25 gallons of #2. Haven't done it much, but no adverse effects. Where are you gonna get it from?
__________________
Danny PAA member #12
SoCal Chapter Member
E99 F-350 Dually Van turbo 4x4 CC LB 7.3L, AFE intake, 3 gauge pillar, 4" Magnaflow SS str8-pipe, DP Tuner, Swamps 175/146 SS inj, ARP head and bottom studs, Comp 910 springs, ITP Ovrbst, CCV mod, SS HPX, home made Reg-return, Foil Del, ZooDad, Air Horns 320hp/704tq
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-30-2007, 12:25 AM
Florida F250 Florida F250 is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 23
Florida F250 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Mongo75 - I work at a turbine engine overhaul repair station and have access to Jet A. Every engine has be run in the test cell to verify that its performance is within set parameters prior to sending it back to the customer. We have a good bit left over every month that I could make use of, but I don't want to ruin my engine either. I'll have to do more research.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-30-2007, 09:38 AM
Phydeaux88's Avatar
Phydeaux88 Phydeaux88 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: South Texas Coast
Posts: 1,569
Phydeaux88 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Phydeaux88 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Florida F250
Mongo75 - I work at a turbine engine overhaul repair station and have access to Jet A. Every engine has be run in the test cell to verify that its performance is within set parameters prior to sending it back to the customer. We have a good bit left over every month that I could make use of, but I don't want to ruin my engine either. I'll have to do more research.
F250

Like I told you before Jet Fuel is basically highly refined diesel so it should not cause any problems except for the lubricity factor.

Here is why:

Diesel is about 75% long chain saturated hydrocarbon ranging from 10 to 15 carbons in length. There are also other hydrocarbons present (about 25%)that do not fit the description above but have a similar boiling temps. It also contains some contaminants the most significant of which is sulfur.
Sulfer is a mixed bag, it is beneficial in that it provides the lubricity many diesel engines rely on but it also can be corrosive and attack delicate metal parts.

Kerosene is made up of long chain hydrocarbons 12 to 15 carbons in length (look familiar), it also contains some of the other hydrocarbons. It is processed in various ways to remove the sulfur.

Jet fuel composition depends on which version of fuel you are using; however all begin with kerosene. I suppose it would be prudent to find out which Jet Fuel you are using, each has it's own characteristics and additives. Some have higher flsh points, some have deicing agents, and one even has gasoline mixed in.

Good luck
__________________
2006 F350 4X4 Crew Cab King Ranch edition strictly factory, for now.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-30-2007, 11:14 AM
DanielC DanielC is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 171
DanielC is starting off with a positive reputation.
When I was a kid, (mid 1960's) my dad worked for United Air Lines as a mechanic. He would fuel the Mercedes 190D car we had with jet fuel from the airport, something about draining sediment traps, and not allowed to return the fuel to the plane. My mom had to go to DMV every year and explain why we have not paid road taxes the previous year, and I think they came up with a per mileage charge, to keep things legal.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-31-2007, 03:01 PM
USMC Diesel's Avatar
USMC Diesel USMC Diesel is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Depends on Deployment
Posts: 190
USMC Diesel is starting off with a positive reputation.
We have been using JP8 in the Marine Corps for some time now.
I can tell you that the HMMWV 6.2L diesel had some problems at first with rubber swelling up the new 6.5 none so far.
We were having problems with engineer equipment injector pumps locking up in Iraq so we started adding Dextron in with the fuel we left soon after so I donít know the long-term affects were but short term it was working.
__________________
2012 F-350 King Ranch CC DRW FX4 6.7 PSD
Diesel Powered Trucks Alcohol Powered Mechanics.
U.S. Marine for 16 years Medical Retired from IED T-5 Para.
2 deployments with 3/1 to Iraq. Phantom furry (Fallujah), and Haditha Dam. And 1 to Afghanistan.
www.piercejr.com
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-31-2007, 04:08 PM
Phydeaux88's Avatar
Phydeaux88 Phydeaux88 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: South Texas Coast
Posts: 1,569
Phydeaux88 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Phydeaux88 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
JP8 is a jet fuel, made specifically for the U.S. government. It is kerosene-based. It is a replacement for JP-4l; the U.S. Air Force replaced JP-4 with JP-8 in order to use less flammable, less hazardous fuel for better safety and combat survivability. U.S. Navy uses a similar formula to JP-8, JP-5 it is even less flammable and is meant for use onboard carriers. I would bet that JP5 and JP8 are interchangable.

JP4 was very flammable because it was essentially a mix of equal parts kerosene and gasoline. The less flammable fuels have not only removed the gasoline component but have removed some of the inherently more volitile components of kerosene such as benzene and hexane. Note these two were also health problems: benzene is a carcinogen and hexane is a neuro toxin.
__________________
2006 F350 4X4 Crew Cab King Ranch edition strictly factory, for now.

Last edited by Phydeaux88; 01-31-2007 at 04:10 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-31-2007, 06:49 PM
leskwvo leskwvo is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 214
leskwvo is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phydeaux88
JP8 is a jet fuel, made specifically for the U.S. government. It is kerosene-based. It is a replacement for JP-4l; the U.S. Air Force replaced JP-4 with JP-8 in order to use less flammable, less hazardous fuel for better safety and combat survivability. U.S. Navy uses a similar formula to JP-8, JP-5 it is even less flammable and is meant for use onboard carriers. I would bet that JP5 and JP8 are interchangable.
Not entirely correct. The other way around the US was the only one using JP-4. I was in the USAF for 20 years. The first 4 was in Fuels. Refuled Aircraft all day.

Then I moved to Aircraft maint. Worked on KC-10 Aircraft. One big gas station in the sky.

Anyway every time we went over seas we always got either JP-5 or JP-8 Mostly JP-5. It was a pain since we had to use a whole different fuel weight calculation when we got JP-5 I think the US military switched to JP-5 due to the rest of the world using it. It's also used in most Air Ground equipment (AGE) equipment on the flight line and often in diesel hummers.

JP-8 was almost never used in the states except for the SR-71, which required it.

When I moved into computers in 1994 they were still using JP-4 at McGuire AFB in NJ. Lost track since I got out in 2000

Erick
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-31-2007, 07:21 PM
Winger235's Avatar
Winger235 Winger235 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brockport New York
Posts: 344
Winger235 is starting off with a positive reputation.
This is what I got from the Wikipedia.


Militaries around the world use a different classification system of JP numbers. Some are almost identical to their civilian counterparts and differ only by the amounts of a few additives; JET A-1 is similar to JP-8, JET B is similar to JP-4. Other military fuels are highly specialized products and are developed for very specific applications. JP-5 fuel is fairly common, and was introduced to reduce the risk of fire on aircraft carriers. Other fuels were specific to one type of aircraft. JP-6 was developed specifically for the XB-70 Valkyrie and JP-7 for the SR-71 Blackbird. Both these fuels were engineered to have a high flash point to better cope with the heat and stresses of high speed supersonic flight. One aircraft-specific jet fuel still in use by the United States Air Force is JPTS, which was developed in 1956 for the Lockheed U-2 spy plane.

Jet fuels are sometimes classified as kerosene or naphtha-type. Kerosene-type fuels include Jet A, Jet A1, JP-5 and JP-8. Naphtha-type jets fuels include Jet B and JP-4
__________________
1988 F-350 4x4 7.3L IDI C6 3.55LS (Refurbished) Winter Ride

1993 F-250 4x2 7.3L IDI E4OD 4.10LS (Ext Cab Grandpa Truck) Summer Ride
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-31-2007, 07:36 PM
leskwvo leskwvo is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 214
leskwvo is starting off with a positive reputation.
I forgot all about JP-7. Thanks I got that wrong.

Erick
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-31-2007, 08:42 PM
Phydeaux88's Avatar
Phydeaux88 Phydeaux88 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: South Texas Coast
Posts: 1,569
Phydeaux88 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Phydeaux88 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
leskwvo
I dont know when you were in the USAF but I was there from 1960 to 1980. When I first enlisted we were using JP4 in things like F86, F89, F101, etc.

I dont know when the switch to JP8 came because I was no longer in the airplane business, switched to Minuteman Missiles, in fact I wasn't even aware they had switched until I started researching this topic.
I did know that JP5 was developed for the Navy because my brother was a Storekeeper (navy talk for a supply guy) onboard an oiler and he told be they didn't use JP4, because of its flammability, they used JP5 instead. I also knew about JP7 for the SR-71 cause I was stationed at Kadena for a while and knew some guys that worked on them.
__________________
2006 F350 4X4 Crew Cab King Ranch edition strictly factory, for now.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-01-2007, 12:17 AM
mongo75's Avatar
mongo75 mongo75 is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Ca
Posts: 3,754
mongo75 is a name known to allmongo75 is a name known to allmongo75 is a name known to allmongo75 is a name known to allmongo75 is a name known to allmongo75 is a name known to all
danny jones
Phydeaux, you brought back some memories- when I was stationed at Futenma, we used to go over to the Banyan Tree club on Kadena. The Air Force had the best looking girls, and more of them (didn't matter I was married) but we loved the path that the junior USAF guys would open for us!!! Many a fun times there....
__________________
Danny PAA member #12
SoCal Chapter Member
E99 F-350 Dually Van turbo 4x4 CC LB 7.3L, AFE intake, 3 gauge pillar, 4" Magnaflow SS str8-pipe, DP Tuner, Swamps 175/146 SS inj, ARP head and bottom studs, Comp 910 springs, ITP Ovrbst, CCV mod, SS HPX, home made Reg-return, Foil Del, ZooDad, Air Horns 320hp/704tq
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-01-2007, 04:50 AM
leskwvo leskwvo is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 214
leskwvo is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phydeaux88
leskwvo
I dont know when you were in the USAF but I was there from 1960 to 1980. When I first enlisted we were using JP4 in things like F86, F89, F101, etc.
1980 to 2000

I few year ahead of you.

First jet I refueled was a F106

Erick
Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2007, 04:50 AM
Reply

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Diesel > Bio-diesel, Propane & Alternative Diesel Engine Fuels

Tags
1993, 250, diesel, jetfuel

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:17 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Fordģ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup