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Old 07-27-2005, 08:27 PM
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bio-diesel - not good?

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0.../ethanol2.html
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That is certainly disapointing news.
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I'm going to be a bit sceptical on this one. It kind of sounds like a "greeny" with an axe to grind. See the preference toward "renewable", solar, wind, hydrogen, none of which are really applicalbe to private vehicles. All to often research is done in a manner to provide a desired result. I think you would find that hydrogen would be way worse as far as taking more energy to make than it yields.

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As always, never the complete story.

I don't think they didn't considered recycled products, only that grown specifically for use as fuel stuff.

I also haven't checked to see which departments the professors are from, their credentials, and who supplied the grant money for the research.

(Academic research ain't free or sometimes even biased. Sponsors have ways of getting the 'right' things said.)

That said, it's not too surprising that dead dinos and time is easier than doing it yourself in the lab. Just a little sad, I guess.
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“a new analysis from Cornell and the University of California at Berkeley”....hum...Berkeley with an ax to grind, o-please tell me it ain't so....I would need at least four other sources and five other studies before I would put stock in this one, Berkeley has a history of being a bit out there...I know I survived the sixties
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I'm going to be a bit sceptical on this one. It kind of sounds like a "greeny" with an axe to grind. See the preference toward "renewable", solar, wind, hydrogen, none of which are really applicalbe to private vehicles. All to often research is done in a manner to provide a desired result. I think you would find that hydrogen would be way worse as far as taking more energy to make than it yields.

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Yes indeed. The results are often established way before the criteria to ascertain / justify the results.
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well I use Bio-diesel. I'm not going to stop on just this one story, if you what to call it that. need vidoe of my truck melting befor i stop, hope to use more in the future.
this is a new field and some of the bug need to be work out.
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As far as I'm concerned anything that reduces our dependency on foreign oil and helps our farmers is a good thing. Even if it doesn't save me any money.
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well I use Bio-diesel. I'm not going to stop on just this one story, if you what to call it that. need vidoe of my truck melting befor i stop, hope to use more in the future.
this is a new field and some of the bug need to be work out.

I agree and the city and college near me use Bio-Diesel and never had a problem with it.

And I use it in my 2000 F-350...
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I think you would find that hydrogen would be way worse as far as taking more energy to make than it yields.

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My feeling toward hydrogen is it will make a nice ball of fire in an accident.
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My feeling toward hydrogen is it will make a nice ball of fire in an accident.
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>>Ethanol and biodiesel do not provide nearly as much energy as it takes to create them, according to a new analysis from Cornell and the University of California at Berkeley.<<

Until they keep doing it and streamline the process.
And also when the tentacles of Big Oil are cut back so as to allow freer development.

So what if it costs a bit more now? At least your kids will live long enough to give you grandkids.
How much would you pay for that?
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I would have to say BS on that one. It doesn't seem resonable that it cost more to refine diesel than it is to make soy. Soy doesn't have to be pumped out of the ground.It grows right here where we use it. I don't know the whole process of making soy but I would think it cost alot less than making diesel. Bio-diesel is really two differnt things soy and waste veggy oil. WVO doesn't cost more than $.70 a gal to make and if diesel cost less than that to make I will kiss those Cornell kids butts in public on the street corner. Even if it did cost more to make who cares its less foreign oil we will be useing. Our grandkids will thank us someday.
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I'm doing my part to reduce our dependency on foreign oil and clean up the environment; my truck runs on 100% biodiesel made from soybean oil grown by U.S. farmers. What are you doing?
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This is a great response to the "Study" referenced above:

http://www.iogen.ca/news/07_20_2005.html

Now, if we could just get Ford to make a truck that can run BD (more than 2%) without choking, we'll all be in great shape.
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The soy bio is squeezed out then refined.

If you read the article, it says 2 researchers, so I REALLY wonder about the validity of the article and the website.
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