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Old 11-11-2003, 06:41 AM
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Democrats sound off.....before there was a war!

Thought this listing of quotes was rather interesting given what is being said today.


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That
is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We
want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal
here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
security
threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
since 1983." S
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John
Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he
has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a
licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten
the United
States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others,
December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction
and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real
and
grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively
to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the
next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
also
given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members
.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare,
and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam
Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real
..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Just goes to show you how Politicians can jump from one side of the fence to the other, on the same issue, if it suits there purposes.
 
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Old 11-11-2003, 07:09 AM
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Nice collection of quotes I'm going to have to keep that one. Good job of research.
 
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Old 11-11-2003, 01:04 PM
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nice!

maybe you should print that out, and fax it to sean hannity?? i can hear him on the radio now....too bnad any other media org with just toss it in the trash
 
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Also too bad that some of the latter quotes were based on false info provided by the reps. Would have been nice to tell what was really known. Come on, our spec ops guys had to have been feeding straight scoop. The boys in DC knew the truth, and now they have excrement all over their faces.
 
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Old 11-11-2003, 01:31 PM
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Now it looks like they are all screaming bloody murder about us taking care of the problem in Iraq. It just doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Old 11-11-2003, 03:45 PM
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I contend that Saddam was, maybe is, a bad guy and deserved to be wiped out of the gene pool.

Along with that, I contend that GW was wrong to mislead us (all of us) on what Saddam had- a third rate military-sans WMD.

It WAS, and still is time to make a stand in the world and back up our constantly running collective mouth. Iraq was not the place to make the splash. We looked like bullies pushing around the school yard kids. Kicking the butt of Kim Il Jung would be a much more appropriate display of our military might and RIGHT.

Nuke 'em, take their oil, and move out to the correct stage.
 
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Now it looks like they are all screaming bloody murder about us taking care of the problem in Iraq. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Simple, the liberals didn't have the onions to pull it off. They were too worried about their reputation. In comes a rip-roaring take no crap from nobody conservative like Bush who actually doesn't sit by and watch and does something about the situation. Liberals cry murder to better their own political foundation. Seems like that is always the way it is.
 
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Old 11-12-2003, 01:06 PM
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Simple, the liberals didn't have the onions to pull it off. They were too worried about their reputation. In comes a rip-roaring take no crap from nobody conservative like Bush who actually doesn't sit by and watch and does something about the situation. Liberals cry murder to better their own political foundation. Seems like that is always the way it is.
I think you had a few typos in here. In sentence 3, I think you meant '...conservative puppet of his daddy and uncle dick... who blunders into trying to fix what his daddy screwed up and makes it worse'. In sentence 4, I think you meant '...foundation and save the country from financial ruin with the world laughing'.

Just tryin' to help you make your point clearly.
 
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Old 11-13-2003, 07:22 PM
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Ah...nothing like another liberal trying to rewrite history. It's especially impressive since it must be difficult to do with all the egg all over your face. Bush Sr. didn't screw up, he did exactly what he said he was going to do and what the U.N. mandate that he chose to abide by called for. He liberated Kuwait and sent Saddam and his Republican Guards back to Baghdad with their tails between their legs. Had he followed them and bombed Baghdad he would have been castigated mercilessly by the "Government knows best" crowd for overstepping his bounds.

Now please tell us in detail how liberals will save the country from financial ruin by sucking more money out of our pockets to spend on those who won't pull their own weight in this economy.
 
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Old 11-14-2003, 03:42 PM
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Actually, the argument is not worth having. Radical liberals are not going to be swayed by the facts, nor are radical conservatives. One side wants to take care of every man, woman, and child on our dime. The other wants to blame all our ills on over taxation, 'them' wanting to take our arms, and a warped sense of patriotism that is defined in Websters dictionary as fascism.

Fascism is belief in a cause or act because to do otherwise might be construed as "unpatriotic". True patriotism is the questioning of policies in order to evaluate their 'rightness' in the context of society. Blind faith is just that-blind.

Sleep well with your beliefs.

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Define what and who you are railing at. Tell us what a liberal does that offends you and make some concrete suggestions for change. Include who is to pay, and what price. No hiding behind labels. See, I might want call you a ...
 

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I just re-read your post and finally understood. You really do want hear specifics, cool!

1. Make abortion available on demand. The country does not need to pay for unwanted babies to the age of 18, or later. Prenatal care averages about $4k a pop. Push safe sex, condoms, creams, pills. The BS about "just say no" ain't getting it handled.

2. Knock off unlimited medical care with Medicare, we have no right to immortality. The old folk only get comfort care if they have terminal illnesses, like coronary artery disease, stroke, diabetes. No more complete heart rebuild past age 55. No transplants, we only get a couple years out of 'em.

3. Same for Medicaid. Your medical insurance runs out, you're out on the street. If you didn't start with insurance, the prisoners below dig your grave. Medicaid is strictly preventive medicine. You have an infection, you get treated. Cut yourself, get treated, no tubes, no machines. If you're female and sign up for medicaid, you get a free contraceptive implant. Male, same thing.

4. Prisons should pay for themselves, chain gangs, prison farms, manufacturing, hazardous waste clean-up for death row inmates.

5. Social security gets all it's money back from the treasury and becomes self-supporting. Nobody draws more than what they put in plus the accumulated interest. Money's gone, so is your parents check.

6. Mandatory public service BEFORE the government helps you make it through college. The default rate on student loans is phenomonal.

7.Students pay the full cost of college education, no state subsidies.

8. Workmens comp is totally self funded, no state subsidies.

9.No EMS programs, you drop in the street, you die, it is too damn expensive to keep you alive.

10. No nation building. They **** on us, we kick their butts and leave 'em laying in the street. That means all of 'em. Saudi, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Britain. No foreign aid. Foreign aid is a communist plot to take over the world, it is unamerican.

11. Stop this ludicrous drug war. These dingalings want shoot themselves up, let 'em. They steal my stuff to pay for it, see #4, 9. and 10. Same goes for punks.

12. Knock off this OSHA crap, it costs a lot of money and lost production to pass their stupid inspections. See #8, and 9.

13. pay off the national debt, the interest rates are killing us. Guess who owns much of our debt?

Now then, these are things I have spoken of before. What do you have to add? THIS is how we stop the red ink flowing. But, are you willing to do it? I am. Couple years of this, we're in good shape again.
 

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You're correct, it isn't worth having. I'm certainly not an advocate of "blind faith" nor do I subscribe to the theory that one side is all bad and the other is all good. I do believe in a laissaz faire government and the inherent checks & balances of capitalism & market forces but I also realize that human nature being what it is, unbridled capitalism can lead to serious abuses of power.

My pet peeve is with people who abdicate responsibilty for their own actions and expect the government to be a panacea because they've painted themselves into a corner. FDR's New Deal, the whole welfare system, universal government funded health care and "poverty pimps" like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are just a few examples of the government pandering to the notion that "we (the government) can care for you better than you can care for yourself as long as you send us the money to do so." I'm sorry but no one knows better how to spend my money to take care of me & my family than I do and I resent the fact that so much of my paycheck is summarily hijacked "for my own good."

You want to know who pays and what price? I'll tell you who pays...everyone. Resposible people pay the price because the money they can use to better their lives is taken to provide a minimal existence for those who suckle off the government nipple because they're too lazy or have bought into the belief that thay are not capable of doing what's necessary to stand up and take control of their lives. What's the price? The price is a country full of welfare recipients, cheats & frauds combined with the majority of "normal" hard working folks who've become totally disenfranchised by years of liberal government hands in our pockets.

Suggestions for change? Well for starters a balanced budget constitutional amendment, a national referendum for creating laws, congressional term limits, elimination of welfare & most other government subsidies, adoption of a flat tax and tort reform would make me smile.
 
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Originally posted by Bill_Beyer

Suggestions for change? Well for starters a balanced budget constitutional amendment, a national referendum for creating laws, congressional term limits, elimination of welfare & most other government subsidies, adoption of a flat tax and tort reform would make me smile.
Bill, it looks like you want what most working Americans want. How would you advise this administration on balancing the budget?
 
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Old 11-14-2003, 07:56 PM
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Um, I hate to say this because it sounds so simple. Stop spending more than you take in. It would be nice to be able to say that most "working Americans" balance their budget this way but the sad fact is that they don't. Despite that the U.S. government has a much greater responsibility then the average American. They're responsible for doing the right thing with our money not spending it on entitlement programs, pork barrel pet projects, corporate welfare, etc. They need to establish an annual budget with the emphasis on defense and infrastructure and when there's no more money then that's it. Eliminate all the waste on administration of government programs and give it to the private sector. We'll do a better more efficient job, and we'll make money doing it.
 
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The government has an advantage the average American household doesn't have, when they want more money, they just ask for it.
 


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