Intake heat with a header
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Intake heat with a header
I have bought a 78 F150 with the 300 I6. The PO installed a Hedman header. I do not see a heat plate under the intake. I am experiencing some bog at low speeds. I am in Ohio, would a heater plate possibly fix this? Do they sell just the gasket that goes between the factory exhaust and intake? Part number if you know it would be fabulous. If needed I can use this gasket to make a plate to flow water through the intake. Making the plate would be easy. It would just be easier with a template . Thanks.
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If you are running headers ( that aren't ceramic coated ) I seriously doubt the intake not being warm enough, is a problem! Uncoated headers get HOT! And the header tubes are close enough to the intake manifold it's going to transfer plenty of heat.
To test my opinion, take your truck out for a long drive. When you are done pop the hood and feel the intake manifold. If it's hot to the touch then don't worry about the heat. If it's cold to the touch then go ahead and add the heat plate.
My experience is headers can usually cause a too much heat problem. With this you can end up with heat soak issues. This can cause it to be hard to start unless you are running an electric fuel pump.
I think the heat plates you run coolant through, actually do as much cooling as they do heating. They keep the intake temps more stable. And helps keep the temps from getting too hot.
In a cold weather climate I would be more worried about heating the air going into the carb, then I would be worried about heating the manifold. At least for the winter.
To test my opinion, take your truck out for a long drive. When you are done pop the hood and feel the intake manifold. If it's hot to the touch then don't worry about the heat. If it's cold to the touch then go ahead and add the heat plate.
My experience is headers can usually cause a too much heat problem. With this you can end up with heat soak issues. This can cause it to be hard to start unless you are running an electric fuel pump.
I think the heat plates you run coolant through, actually do as much cooling as they do heating. They keep the intake temps more stable. And helps keep the temps from getting too hot.
In a cold weather climate I would be more worried about heating the air going into the carb, then I would be worried about heating the manifold. At least for the winter.
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What air filter are you using, open element filter?
Run a stock filter assy. and make a tin to fit around 1 of the header tubes that you can hook a 2" paper hose to and run it from the tin to the air filter.
If the filter assy is hooked up right the flapper door should let warm air into the filter assy. when it is cold and close the flapper when hot.
Over in the 80-86 Bullnose area there is a post on just this issue when cold.
Dave ----
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Headers get very hot...but don't transfer that heat directly to the intake manifold and that is important. Do the heat plate, and if possible use a factory style air cleaner that also scavenges/ducts heat for the incoming air.
I have the hot water plate attached under my Offy DP and it works great until things get down around 20 degrees F. I need to build some kind of system to get the hot air in through the carb. My truck runs lean (confirmed with monitor) at highway speeds in subzero weather because of this problem. The colder the worse the problem.
My truck has the factory A/C and the box is in the way to use a factory cleaner since the DP intake sits so far to the side, darn it. It looks like I need to build a hybrid cleaner but it's cold and I don't want to weld one up so something crude is coming...a cover that allows the air to be sucked up from around the cast headers (efi manifolds).
I have the hot water plate attached under my Offy DP and it works great until things get down around 20 degrees F. I need to build some kind of system to get the hot air in through the carb. My truck runs lean (confirmed with monitor) at highway speeds in subzero weather because of this problem. The colder the worse the problem.
My truck has the factory A/C and the box is in the way to use a factory cleaner since the DP intake sits so far to the side, darn it. It looks like I need to build a hybrid cleaner but it's cold and I don't want to weld one up so something crude is coming...a cover that allows the air to be sucked up from around the cast headers (efi manifolds).
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I'm sorry but I don't completely buy this statement. The Header primaries are close enough to the intake that the heat is going to transfer. They don't have to be touching. Especially with a aluminum intake manifold. With a cast iron intake it will take longer to heat up. It may take longer then the stock intake/exhaust manifold set up. But no longer then it takes the coolant to warm up on one with a water heat plate set up.
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