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Old 12-20-2016, 10:49 AM
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F250>F150

Finally reached 1000 miles and was able to tow my 28' triple axle enclosed trailer. Dry weight of the trailer is 4400lbs. Even though this is not alot of weight, the trailer just manhandled my 2015 platinum F150 ecoboost when it is unloaded. Power was never the issue as I had plenty of power, but the stability was terrible. It would walk all over the road and I know that some of that was from the tires, and some from the squishy F150 suspension but it was downright unsafe in my opinion. Especially on the interstate. Obviously with 3-4000 lbs in the trailer loaded correctly it actually pulls quite nice, but unloaded is terrible.

The F250 was down right nasty in its ability to show that trailer the path to follow. You could feel the weight of the trailer under the accelerator so I dont buy the story that guys give about "didnt even know it was back there". But from a stability stand point, you could BARELY tell it was back there. the trailer finally feels obedient to the truck. This is my first SD, and first diesel so it is truely all new to me. Cant wait to get some weight behind the SD and see what this thing can do.
 
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Old 12-20-2016, 11:01 AM
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Congrats on the truck.
When Ford reduced the weight of the F150 by up to 800 lbs they basically ruined it as a towing machine if you tow anything other than a flat bed (that isn't affected by wind resistance). My 13 F150 handled towing tasks a lot better than my 16 F150 did. Both trucks were comparably equipped and with the same LT c range tires and Bilstein shocks. The lighter 16 model would get blown all over the road.
 
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Originally Posted by johndeerefarmer
Congrats on the truck.
When Ford reduced the weight of the F150 by up to 800 lbs they basically ruined it as a towing machine if you tow anything other than a flat bed (that isn't affected by wind resistance). My 13 F150 handled towing tasks a lot better than my 16 F150 did. Both trucks were comparably equipped and with the same LT c range tires and Bilstein shocks. The lighter 16 model would get blown all over the road.
You sir, hit the nail on the head. Couldnt have said it better.
 
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Old 12-20-2016, 11:53 AM
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My other question would be how much drop I should use for the hitch. The hitch in the picture is a 3" drop and the trailer sits pretty level.
 
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Old 12-20-2016, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by johndeerefarmer
Congrats on the truck.
When Ford reduced the weight of the F150 by up to 800 lbs they basically ruined it as a towing machine if you tow anything other than a flat bed (that isn't affected by wind resistance). My 13 F150 handled towing tasks a lot better than my 16 F150 did. Both trucks were comparably equipped and with the same LT c range tires and Bilstein shocks. The lighter 16 model would get blown all over the road.
I think that is one reason Ford didn't take more weight out of the Super Duty when they definitely could have.
 
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Old 12-20-2016, 12:43 PM
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My only complaint with the way the 150 tows is the squishy rear suspension. Rides great unloaded but squirms with the trailer. Plenty of power and brakes. I'm guessing you could correct the 150 towing issue with air springs.
 
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Old 12-20-2016, 01:00 PM
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You SURE it's only a 3" drop in that pic? Nice setup by the way. I needed a 7" drop B&W Tow and Stow to give me the "range" to pull my boat even. Lots of others have mentioned going 5" to 7" drop just to be level. My boat is 5200 pounds dry....but tongue is not that heavy. But I still needed 5" drop +. If your trailer is 4400 +-....I don't think it would drop the rear that much. I'm surprised if that is only a 3" drop and you are pulling level with the height that the rear of these trucks are now.
 
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You SURE it's only a 3" drop in that pic? Nice setup by the way. I needed a 7" drop B&W Tow and Stow to give me the "range" to pull my boat even. Lots of others have mentioned going 5" to 7" drop just to be level. My boat is 5200 pounds dry....but tongue is not that heavy. But I still needed 5" drop +. If your trailer is 4400 +-....I don't think it would drop the rear that much. I'm surprised if that is only a 3" drop and you are pulling level with the height that the rear of these trucks are now.
I am sure its only a 3" drop hitch, because I had to "borrow" it from my father. He has a 14' 6.7 F250 and his truck sits much lower than mine. Im going to go with the 6 or 8" weighsafe eventually. You can adjust the weighsafe as needed.
The triple axles really help keep the thing level.
 
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There is no question that an F250 will tow better than an F150. However I suspect that your F150 would handle that trailer adequately with a good weight distribution hitch with built in sway control (i.e. Equal-i-zer 4-pt or Reece Dual Cam). IMHO I think any half ton would need such a hitch to properly tow a box that long.

It's interesting what you said about the 2015+ F150 towing limitations. I've seen this comment on other threads but I've wondered how much of this was speculation verses direct comparison of a steel vs Aluminum F150 like you were able to do. I am considering gas F250 or F150 with max tow but am leaning toward the Super Duty just for this reason.
 
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Old 12-21-2016, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by shamrockthecasbah
There is no question that an F250 will tow better than an F150. However I suspect that your F150 would handle that trailer adequately with a good weight distribution hitch with built in sway control (i.e. Equal-i-zer 4-pt or Reece Dual Cam). IMHO I think any half ton would need such a hitch to properly tow a box that long.

It's interesting what you said about the 2015+ F150 towing limitations. I've seen this comment on other threads but I've wondered how much of this was speculation verses direct comparison of a steel vs Aluminum F150 like you were able to do. I am considering gas F250 or F150 with max tow but am leaning toward the Super Duty just for this reason.
I have an Equalizer hitch and I used it on my 11, 13, and 16 F150's. Without a doubt the aluminum bodied F150 sways more than the previous generation
 
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