Ongoing clutch/trans problem. Now trans stuck in gear
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Ongoing clutch/trans problem. Now trans stuck in gear
Hello. This weekend I had to replace the clutch on my 85' f350 with a 7.5l, 4spd. Today as I was putting everything back together, the last step was for me to insert the shift lever into the top of the transmission. Here's my problem. My transmission is stuck in gear. It feels like the lever is in the right place, but I'm not 100% sure (I am 90% sure). I've been out there all day trying to put it in. I give up
The clutch that I put in is working good. I started the truck with the clutch pedal pressed, and the truck was in neutral. When I release the pedal, it moves fine. I just can't get it out of gear. Even if the truck is off, it is stuck in gear. It feels like 2 or 4th gear
I didn't drop the transmission hard, and anything unusual during the clutch swap
The clutch that I put in is working good. I started the truck with the clutch pedal pressed, and the truck was in neutral. When I release the pedal, it moves fine. I just can't get it out of gear. Even if the truck is off, it is stuck in gear. It feels like 2 or 4th gear
I didn't drop the transmission hard, and anything unusual during the clutch swap
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I tried to take a light and look, but had no idea what it should look like. I couldn't find a diagram or picture anywhere online.
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Three shift rails are installed side by side, directly under the socket where the ball of the shift lever sits. Each rail has a slider about the same width as the bottom tip of the shift lever. Each slider has a square notch in the top.
When in neutral, all three notches are lined up side by side. The slider for reverse has a little spring-loaded blocker in that notch. That's the spring you feel when you shift sideways into reverse.
Peek down through the socket and if in neutral, you should see the three notches (including the reverse slider with blocker) lined up side by side. However, I bet you will see one slider not lined up with the other two. Use a big screwdriver (or even the shifter) to line up that rail's notch with the other two. Then you should be all set.
As far as that missing pin, don't run the engine again until you find it. If it's fallen inside, it could do a lot of damage if caught between the gears. Don't despair, though, as it should be fairly easy to fish out. The entire top cover can be removed for access. But first, if you're sure it's nowhere else, drain the transmission. If lucky, the pin might get flushed out with the oil.
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I couldn't find a picture, either. You'll just have to settle for my verbose description.
Three shift rails are installed side by side, directly under the socket where the ball of the shift lever sits. Each rail has a slider about the same width as the bottom tip of the shift lever. Each slider has a square notch in the top.
When in neutral, all three notches are lined up side by side. The slider for reverse has a little spring-loaded blocker in that notch. That's the spring you feel when you shift sideways into reverse.
Peek down through the socket and if in neutral, you should see the three notches (including the reverse slider with blocker) lined up side by side. However, I bet you will see one slider not lined up with the other two. Use a big screwdriver (or even the shifter) to line up that rail's notch with the other two. Then you should be all set.
As far as that missing pin, don't run the engine again until you find it. If it's fallen inside, it could do a lot of damage if caught between the gears. Don't despair, though, as it should be fairly easy to fish out. The entire top cover can be removed for access. But first, if you're sure it's nowhere else, drain the transmission. If lucky, the pin might get flushed out with the oil.
Three shift rails are installed side by side, directly under the socket where the ball of the shift lever sits. Each rail has a slider about the same width as the bottom tip of the shift lever. Each slider has a square notch in the top.
When in neutral, all three notches are lined up side by side. The slider for reverse has a little spring-loaded blocker in that notch. That's the spring you feel when you shift sideways into reverse.
Peek down through the socket and if in neutral, you should see the three notches (including the reverse slider with blocker) lined up side by side. However, I bet you will see one slider not lined up with the other two. Use a big screwdriver (or even the shifter) to line up that rail's notch with the other two. Then you should be all set.
As far as that missing pin, don't run the engine again until you find it. If it's fallen inside, it could do a lot of damage if caught between the gears. Don't despair, though, as it should be fairly easy to fish out. The entire top cover can be removed for access. But first, if you're sure it's nowhere else, drain the transmission. If lucky, the pin might get flushed out with the oil.
I really appreciate your help. I'll take a look at in first thing in the morning. My question to you is, why would it be locking up? How come I can't stick my shifter in the tranny now and release it out of its gear normally
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When you peek inside, look for the one not aligned with the other two. You'll have to slide that one fore or aft to match the others already in neutral.
If you've already tried monkeying around with the shift lever but nothing would budge, I can practically guarantee you got the tip of the shift lever in the notch of one of the locked sliders. Once you figure out which slider is not aligned with the other two, that's the notch you have to engage with the tip of the shift lever. That slider is not locked and will pop right back into neutral as long as you catch it with the shift lever. A big, stout screwdriver would work, too.
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Ok, I just want to confirm before I start "pushing & poking" things inside my tranny. I posted 2 pics. If I read your instructions right, the shift rail on the right (top in the pic), is uneven and need to be aligned with the other 2. Am I correct?
If I am right, I need to pull it down (or to the right in the pic), correct?
If I am right, I need to pull it down (or to the right in the pic), correct?
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However, inserting it into any other position will not allow it to engage the mis-aligned slider, therefore, you cannot use it disengage the gear. In fact, if you *could* get it to engage the slider that is "in gear", this would not be good. It would also mean the shifter could be moved out of the slider while in gear, or as I like to say, worn out.......
#10
Yes, the upper most rail is out of alignment.
Ok, I just want to confirm before I start "pushing & poking" things inside my tranny. I posted 2 pics. If I read your instructions right, the shift rail on the right (top in the pic), is uneven and need to be aligned with the other 2. Am I correct?
If I am right, I need to pull it down (or to the right in the pic), correct?
If I am right, I need to pull it down (or to the right in the pic), correct?
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Per the picture, the transmission is currently in second gear. When you first insert the shift lever, position it to match being in second.
Then simply shift from second to neutral. Hold down the clutch pedal, too, in case there is any load on the gears.
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Any luck finding that index pin? I always wished it had been designed with a mushroom head so it couldn't fall it.
For filling the oil, yes, it can be done from the top. It's much easier than adding oil through the fill port on the side. The only downside is you can't see the fill port to know when the oil level is correct. Two ways around that: If the transmission has already been drained, reinstall the drain plug and just add the specified amount from above. If only topping off, remove the fill plug and put a drain pan underneath. Add oil from above, and when oil starts to dribble from the fill port, you know the level is correct.