Use of Cetane booster
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I use the Motorcraft stuff but I'm not exactly precise on the 4oz to 25 gal. I do use it on every fill up and here is how I do it. At a tad less then 1/4 tank it takes 25 gal of fuel so I always put in 4 oz but sometimes I put in 22 gal and the next 27 gal or maybe 29 gal I figure it all works out in the end.
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2006-2007 is when USLD fuel became mandated and mainstream.
So any study done in 2007 needs to be qualified that it was done with the fuels at the time.
Since no link for this study was provided it is kind of hard to qualify the blanket statement that a study on additives that was published 2007 is accurate for today.
But if you decide to use an additive, and it is debatable if even needed, why use something that cost more and has no track record other then a test done 10 years ago?
The fuel requirement for each of the big 3 using the same pump has changed.
When I had my 2006 GMC I would occasionally add a quart of ATF or two stroke oil to the tank. I wouldn't think of doing that on any of the new diesels.
Your mileage may vary, but for me, if I decide to add anything to the fuel, it will be approved by the manufacturers.
So any study done in 2007 needs to be qualified that it was done with the fuels at the time.
Since no link for this study was provided it is kind of hard to qualify the blanket statement that a study on additives that was published 2007 is accurate for today.
But if you decide to use an additive, and it is debatable if even needed, why use something that cost more and has no track record other then a test done 10 years ago?
The fuel requirement for each of the big 3 using the same pump has changed.
When I had my 2006 GMC I would occasionally add a quart of ATF or two stroke oil to the tank. I wouldn't think of doing that on any of the new diesels.
Your mileage may vary, but for me, if I decide to add anything to the fuel, it will be approved by the manufacturers.
This is the only study we have. I wouldn't be adding 2-stroke oil now either, but I believe the track record for cetane boosters is solid as even Ford recommends using their own PM-22.
There was a second study done just after that on MPG improvements and was limited to 2-stroke oil, Opti-Lube and FPPF and they all showed improvement. I don't have time to search for it, but a quick Google did find this Opti-Lube testimonials page:
Opti-Lube Diesel Fuel Improver | Grease | Oil Fortifier
Turned out the 2009 study of mileage improvements was just down the page on my Google search and here it is:
Fuel Additive Test - Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel - Diesel Power Magazine
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Thanks for all the replies. Being new to diesel trucks I am a bit leary of jumping in trying things without checking it out first.
I watched a video from POWERSTROKEHELP.COM - The Information Source for Ford Power Stroke Diesel Owners & Mechanics last night about using Archoil. Has anyone tried Archoil for an oil additive as well as a fuel additive?
Dave
I watched a video from POWERSTROKEHELP.COM - The Information Source for Ford Power Stroke Diesel Owners & Mechanics last night about using Archoil. Has anyone tried Archoil for an oil additive as well as a fuel additive?
Dave
College-level diesel tech training texts will inform you that no additives are needed for any engine, in general. However, as others have pointed out, ULSD is a very poor lubricator. The CP4 fuel pumps on our trucks and the Duramax trucks seem to be susceptible to failure from poor lubrication. Ford's PM22 does offer a little bit of added lubricity which may help.
Ford seems to be very reluctant to warranty fuel pump failures - I use the PM22 at every fill-up because Ford is not going to like you putting any other aftermarket additive in the fuel. The exact ratio mix is not important - try to get it close, but don't lose sleep over it.
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Thanks for all the replies. Being new to diesel trucks I am a bit leary of jumping in trying things without checking it out first.
I watched a video from POWERSTROKEHELP.COM - The Information Source for Ford Power Stroke Diesel Owners & Mechanics last night about using Archoil. Has anyone tried Archoil for an oil additive as well as a fuel additive?
Dave
I watched a video from POWERSTROKEHELP.COM - The Information Source for Ford Power Stroke Diesel Owners & Mechanics last night about using Archoil. Has anyone tried Archoil for an oil additive as well as a fuel additive?
Dave
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I have no opinion of Archoil - it could be good, could be bad, or could be useless. Just remember that the gentleman who is in all the videos on that website is sponsored by Archoil.
College-level diesel tech training texts will inform you that no additives are needed for any engine, in general. However, as others have pointed out, ULSD is a very poor lubricator. The CP4 fuel pumps on our trucks and the Duramax trucks seem to be susceptible to failure from poor lubrication. Ford's PM22 does offer a little bit of added lubricity which may help.
Ford seems to be very reluctant to warranty fuel pump failures - I use the PM22 at every fill-up because Ford is not going to like you putting any other aftermarket additive in the fuel. The exact ratio mix is not important - try to get it close, but don't lose sleep over it.
College-level diesel tech training texts will inform you that no additives are needed for any engine, in general. However, as others have pointed out, ULSD is a very poor lubricator. The CP4 fuel pumps on our trucks and the Duramax trucks seem to be susceptible to failure from poor lubrication. Ford's PM22 does offer a little bit of added lubricity which may help.
Ford seems to be very reluctant to warranty fuel pump failures - I use the PM22 at every fill-up because Ford is not going to like you putting any other aftermarket additive in the fuel. The exact ratio mix is not important - try to get it close, but don't lose sleep over it.
In addition to Opti-Lube at the minimum dose, I use AR6200 fuel additive and AR9100 oil friction modifier. When I first added the recommended double dose of AR6200, I felt more power from a stop and my mileage improved . 5 to. 9 mpg. Later, I dropped Optilube for a couple of tanks and mileage got worse. They seem to work well together. Ford recommends no friction modifiers for the first 5000 miles so I changed to T6 at 5000, added AR9100 and towed my 5th wheel on an 11000 mile trip. Naturally, I had to change oil again 8000 miles into the trip and added another jug of AR9100. I can't say if it did any good, but I got 12.5 mpg on the trip while towing my 10,000 lb fiver.
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ULSD = Ultra Lousy and S***** Diesel.
I'd love a new study too as a lot of the products in that study changed their formula. Next winter as I won't get back home in time this winter, I want to do a test of summer diesel, winter diesel, summer additive, and winter additive in glass jars and leave them outside. See what sub zero temps due to the fuel and does the additive actually help or not.
I'd love a new study too as a lot of the products in that study changed their formula. Next winter as I won't get back home in time this winter, I want to do a test of summer diesel, winter diesel, summer additive, and winter additive in glass jars and leave them outside. See what sub zero temps due to the fuel and does the additive actually help or not.
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That's my plan once I use up the rest of my XPD. Summer Plus year round and when it gets down under 15 or so degrees I'll just add an ounce of Winter to the 2 ounces of Summer Plus at fill-up. And for those that are wondering if you can mix and match the answer is yes per an email conversation I had with a representative from Opi-Lube a year or so ago. He said that mixing is done quite often by people looking for a "custom" formulation.
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That's my plan once I use up the rest of my XPD. Summer Plus year round and when it gets down under 15 or so degrees I'll just add an ounce of Winter to the 2 ounces of Summer Plus at fill-up. And for those that are wondering if you can mix and match the answer is yes per an email conversation I had with a representative from Opi-Lube a year or so ago. He said that mixing is done quite often by people looking for a "custom" formulation.
To me, the overall heat output seems to drop off quite a bit when the temps get really cold, although your graph seems to indicate after 10 minutes the vent temp is approaching 100F regardless of outside temp.
The electric heater is positioned just downstream of the actual heater core, so even as coolant begins to minimally warm, it makes the electric heater's job easier. Very interesting, and sorry to go off topic!
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