5.8 Water Pump/Timing Cover Bolts & Stud Positions/Dimensions (Inside)
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5.8 Water Pump/Timing Cover Bolts & Stud Positions/Dimensions (Inside)
Questions come up periodically about our Windsor front-dress fasteners. Particularly after they rot & break off.
I had mine blown apart for a project, so I did some measurements & photos.
These are from my 94' 5.8 I would guess 5.0 is identical. I suppose the exposed studs could be deleted. I have no idea what vestigial purpose they served, but measurements included.
All bolts & studs are 5/16 - 18 tpi
UHL= Under head length.
TTL= Total thread length.
OAL= Overall length.
A) 1.985 UHL .975 TTL Quanity 4 Hex head bolt, fixed washer
B) .750 TTL, UHL Qty 2. Thin Hex Head (3/16 thick) Holds bottom Water pump cover plate to WP
C) .860 TTL, UHL Qty 2 Hex head bolt, fixed washer. Holds Timing cover to block
D) 2.00 UDL 1.15 TTL Hex head bolt fixed washer with exposed stud 1.090 TTL
E) 2.25 UHL 1.15 TTL Hex head bolt, fixed washer with exposed stud 1.090 TTL
F) 3-7/8 UHL 1.100 TTL .205 thin headed Hex bolt
G) 5 inch OAL 3.9 UHL 1.075 TTL Hex headed bolt with fixed washer 1.090 exposed stud TTL
H) 2.650 UHL 1.150 TTL .205 thin headed Hex bolt
I) 5.135 (?) OAL 3.9 UHL 1.100 TTL .205 thin Hex bolt with 3/8 dia. unthreaded stud approx 1.25 long
J) 6.5 OAL, approx 5.90 UHL .900 TTL .205 thin Hex head bolt with 3/8-16 tpi stud approx 1.25 long
I had mine blown apart for a project, so I did some measurements & photos.
These are from my 94' 5.8 I would guess 5.0 is identical. I suppose the exposed studs could be deleted. I have no idea what vestigial purpose they served, but measurements included.
All bolts & studs are 5/16 - 18 tpi
UHL= Under head length.
TTL= Total thread length.
OAL= Overall length.
A) 1.985 UHL .975 TTL Quanity 4 Hex head bolt, fixed washer
B) .750 TTL, UHL Qty 2. Thin Hex Head (3/16 thick) Holds bottom Water pump cover plate to WP
C) .860 TTL, UHL Qty 2 Hex head bolt, fixed washer. Holds Timing cover to block
D) 2.00 UDL 1.15 TTL Hex head bolt fixed washer with exposed stud 1.090 TTL
E) 2.25 UHL 1.15 TTL Hex head bolt, fixed washer with exposed stud 1.090 TTL
F) 3-7/8 UHL 1.100 TTL .205 thin headed Hex bolt
G) 5 inch OAL 3.9 UHL 1.075 TTL Hex headed bolt with fixed washer 1.090 exposed stud TTL
H) 2.650 UHL 1.150 TTL .205 thin headed Hex bolt
I) 5.135 (?) OAL 3.9 UHL 1.100 TTL .205 thin Hex bolt with 3/8 dia. unthreaded stud approx 1.25 long
J) 6.5 OAL, approx 5.90 UHL .900 TTL .205 thin Hex head bolt with 3/8-16 tpi stud approx 1.25 long
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Thank you for this. We were working on a 1989 F-150 with a 302 and some of the bolts were different but your guide was mostly correct. Started out as just a leaky water pump, broke off longest bolt on right side (which ended up being threaded rod!) and broke off 2 bolts on left side. Should have used more heat and penetrating oil and drilled small holes where bolts broke off to try to fish them out. Had to grind and break the timing cover... etc etc... all sealed up now and waiting for RTV to cure. will add antifreeze tomorrow and fire it up!
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Glad it helped.
My only edits to it so far would be that "I" that has no threads on the stud is generally said to be a pivot or "hanger" for the power-steering/AC bracket so that you can rest the assembly on it while starting the bracket bolts. Its what I've used it for when doing front dress work.
The other is that in some quarters a fixed washer bolt is referred to as a flange head bolt. If that is important to one when sourcing replacement fasteners.
My only edits to it so far would be that "I" that has no threads on the stud is generally said to be a pivot or "hanger" for the power-steering/AC bracket so that you can rest the assembly on it while starting the bracket bolts. Its what I've used it for when doing front dress work.
The other is that in some quarters a fixed washer bolt is referred to as a flange head bolt. If that is important to one when sourcing replacement fasteners.
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External threaded studs
The threaded studs sticking out of bolt heads are critical. They are placed in specific areas to accept and retain accessory brackets or accessories them selves-alternator, PS pump, etc. and are not only specific to yr and model but custom to individual vehicle-AC yes or no, for ex. Thread depth of these external studs also varies due to attachment configuration and number of accessories att. Initially, all I could find was the 5.8 (351 W) bolt config for the Mustang all over the place. It is very different for the external studs.
Thank you VERY MUCH for your detailed labor and sharing!
Thank you VERY MUCH for your detailed labor and sharing!
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I have been looking for "J" bolt for months.
Bought some from ebay and other places.
They are all too short.
Maybe they are for the mustang 5.8l or something but none of them are for the 1996 F250.
I will buy all of these in order as you have them if I can only find them.
Oh many say they have it but its not the same bolts...ever.
Any reputable sources or am I gonna have to have a fastener company mill these out for me.
This has gotten crazy.
One would think that they would be dime a dozen.
Thanks for any consideration or leads on this.
It's appreciated in advance.
Bought some from ebay and other places.
They are all too short.
Maybe they are for the mustang 5.8l or something but none of them are for the 1996 F250.
I will buy all of these in order as you have them if I can only find them.
Oh many say they have it but its not the same bolts...ever.
Any reputable sources or am I gonna have to have a fastener company mill these out for me.
This has gotten crazy.
One would think that they would be dime a dozen.
Thanks for any consideration or leads on this.
It's appreciated in advance.
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Here you go. ARP fasteners made exclusively for LMR, all the correct lengths, even comes with a nice diagram on where all the bolts go. I've used these on a bunch of motors and can attest that they are top notch.
https://lmr.com/item/LRS-8501BHDW/19...er-Studs-Bolts
https://lmr.com/item/LRS-8501BHDW/19...er-Studs-Bolts
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Here you go. ARP fasteners made exclusively for LMR, all the correct lengths, even comes with a nice diagram on where all the bolts go. I've used these on a bunch of motors and can attest that they are top notch.
https://lmr.com/item/LRS-8501BHDW/19...er-Studs-Bolts
https://lmr.com/item/LRS-8501BHDW/19...er-Studs-Bolts
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