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Someone will be very happy to buy that truck, even at that price.
It is made out of unobtanium. One cannot buy that "new" of a diesel pick up anymore without also getting a boatload of problems as modern emissions equipment struggles through teething pains.
The added advantage of this particular truck is that it hasn't been molested with forum fueled aftermarket tinkering. If I needed a a "new" diesel pickup, I would definitely give this particular one a great deal of serious consideration.
Oftentimes, it is more expensive to undo the damage that some previous owners unwittingly do with some types of mods. The dealer with this truck recognizes that actual value isn't defined by an average of numbers... it is defined by what people want.
Depending on what someone is looking for, that could be it. NADA, blue book etc. go out the window when you have something relatively rare.....only thing that would be better from my perspective if it had forged rods (ie. earlier year) and manual transfer case......but that thing looks CLEAN for the age of it.
Would make a deal for someone in the high 20Ks.......buy that rig, put some well chosen upgrades in place, grab your 5th wheel retirement toy and hit the road for 10 years.......
That is bay area prices at its best. The guy that sold it to them only bought it in 2005 per the title. He, like the next owner, will came to the realization that a 12 year old truck is a 12 year old truck no matter how nice it looks on paper or the internet.
That is an interesting way of looking at it, Dave, and good job sleuthing out the evidence that the 2002 truck in question here is not really a "one owner" truck like the seller represents. In fact, my friend believes that this truck was on craigslist recently for blue book value of around $17,500, and within a day it was snatched up right away by the used truck dealer who is selling it now, after keystoning it (doubling the price).
It troubles me that the current seller is potentially misrepresenting the ownership history, but let's get back to what is actually being sold. In that condition, does it really matter how many names have been on the title?
Let's take your 1955 for example. Does it really matter if only one owner owned the truck, if it is a completely rusted out non useable carcass that would cost $60,000 to restore? Does it matter if 6 different people owned the truck during it's 60 year history, and the truck was pristinely restored as if brand new?
And in fact, isn't a 60 year old truck a 60 year old truck, "no matter how nice it looks on paper or the internet"?
Will you take $1,700 for your '55, which is what they cost brand new in 1955? After all, it's 60 years old for crying out loud.
I think not. Your '55 is made out of unobtanium. It is worth more today than it was when new, because it brings with it a certain ownership experience and joy that some people find of value, even if only temporarily. Then, when they've gotten that out of their system, and had their fun, it is time to sell and move on to whatever else tickles their fancy.
This dealer, although tricky, seems to understand this non numerical metric of value well.
Someone will be very happy to buy that truck, even at that price.
It is made out of unobtanium. One cannot buy that "new" of a diesel pick up anymore without also getting a boatload of problems as modern emissions equipment struggles through teething pains.
The added advantage of this particular truck is that it hasn't been molested with forum fueled aftermarket tinkering. If I needed a a "new" diesel pickup, I would definitely give this particular one a great deal of serious consideration.
Oftentimes, it is more expensive to undo the damage that some previous owners unwittingly do with some types of mods. The dealer with this truck recognizes that actual value isn't defined by an average of numbers... it is defined by what people want.
That truck is exactly what a lot of people want.
Unobtanium?
There were, what, about 1.5 million superduties sold with the 7.3. There are several that sell on ebay every month for the $13,000 to $25,000 with under 100,000 miles.
This dealer is looking for that proverbial fool and his money.
There were, what, about 1.5 million superduties sold with the 7.3. There are several that sell on ebay every month for the $13,000 to $25,000 with under 100,000 miles.
And a million of them have been chipped, programmed, Hutched, Harpooned, deleted, resistored, lifted, lowered, raced, pulled, worked, neglected, dusted, or otherwise molested in some form or another. It is somewhat unusual to find a bone stock 7.3L truck that was simply maintained by the book.
It is easy to find a Ford Fusion more or less how it was built at the factory, but for some reason, not a Super Duty. Hence the rarity.
And a million of them have been chipped, programmed, Hutched, Harpooned, deleted, resistored, lifted, lowered, raced, pulled, worked, neglected, dusted, or otherwise molested in some form or another. It is somewhat unusual to find a bone stock 7.3L truck that was simply maintained by the book.
It is easy to find a Ford Fusion more or less how it was built at the factory, but for some reason, not a Super Duty. Hence the rarity.
It's easy to find a used car salesman that will tell you whatever you want to hear about any vehicle. It doesn't mean it's true.
I didn't see the body damage, but then again I didn't look at the video, only glanced at the thumbnails in the ad.
Once Mister CMK mentioned a loose red wire, my curiosity perked up, and I went back to the ad to find a wheel well pic. Not only did I find a loose red wire, I saw that the overload spring bumper was resting on top of the overload stop, instead of attached from underneath.
I don't have a 250/350, so I'm not sure what the bumper pad for the overload stops is supposed to look like, but does the picture above look right to you? Doesn't it look like it is resting on top? If so, how does it stay there? And what the heck is that red wire?
See Clux, how rare it is to find a truly bone stock unmolested 7.3L? Someone's dream has just been shattered....
I know the overload spring is normal. I'm talking about the stop that the spring acts against. Normally the spring acts on some type of rubber pad.
In the photo shown, the rubber pad appears to be on top of the metal cleat that it should fit into, meaning that the overload spring will contact the metal directly. It doesn't look right to me, the way the rubber pad with the built in retention tab is resting on top of the metal cleat, instead of nestled inside of it from underneath.
NEVERMIND... it is an optical illusion. What I though was metal was rubber, and what I thought was rubber was metal. My eyes cannot resolve the converging lines.
I know the overload spring is normal. I'm talking about the stop that the spring acts against. Normally the spring acts on some type of rubber pad.
In the photo shown, the rubber pad appears to be on top of the metal cleat that it should fit into, meaning that the overload spring will contact the metal directly. It doesn't look right to me, the way the rubber pad with the built in retention tab is resting on top of the metal cleat, instead of nestled inside of it from underneath.
NEVERMIND... it is an optical illusion. What I though was metal was rubber, and what I thought was rubber was metal. My eyes cannot resolve the converging lines.
09-01-2014, 08:21 AM
