General NON-Automotive Conversation No Political, Sexual or Religious topics please.

Two cycle question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 05-26-2014, 08:08 PM
FTE Herman's Avatar
FTE Herman
FTE Herman is offline
Post Fiend
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,983
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Two cycle question

It's my hedge trimmer. A relatively new, lightly used, well maintained Husqvarna. I was doing the hedge at the MIL's and ran it out of gas. After filling, priming and restarting, when I open the throttle it bogs and turns off. It seems like fuel starvation; however, when I close the choke and open the throttle the same thing happens. I figured air so I primed some more. No luck. It will start fine, idle fine, and run with the slightest amount of throttle, but any more and it dies.


Any ideas?
 
  #2  
Old 05-26-2014, 08:27 PM
slimbo13's Avatar
slimbo13
slimbo13 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: greater cleveland
Posts: 11,055
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
sounds like carb adjustment to me
 
  #3  
Old 05-26-2014, 10:04 PM
Tim Young's Avatar
Tim Young
Tim Young is online now
Hotshot
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: North Central Washington
Posts: 17,674
Received 3,568 Likes on 1,426 Posts
Were you at wide open throttle when you ran out of gas? It may have been running lean to start with and when you ran out of fuel it may scored the cylinder. Does it feel as though it has as much compression? I hope that is not it, I hope you just picked up some garbage on the fuel filter. You should be able to check the filter by draining the fuel out of the tank and reaching in the tank with a small wire with hook and pulling it out. The fuel filter is on the end of the pick up tube.
 
  #4  
Old 05-27-2014, 01:03 PM
clux's Avatar
clux
clux is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Carhenge
Posts: 10,600
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Could be the diaphragm in the carburetor (a common problem).

Have you been running gas with ethanol? I had to replace the fuel line/pickup in my Husqvarna string trimmer after ethanol digested them for me.
 
  #5  
Old 05-27-2014, 03:53 PM
FTE Herman's Avatar
FTE Herman
FTE Herman is offline
Post Fiend
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,983
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Ah, lean burn; great theory, but I think not as is starts and idles very easy. I never run it hard; just barely above idle.

I didn't think about a plugged fuel filter (what is that, a 'stone' at the end of the pickup?) but I'll pull it out and have a look.

As far as the ethanol goes, well yes - I'm too lazy to drive the miles to the station that has no alcohol in their gas. So there is a diaphragm pump in these carbs? I'll have to take it apart and see; however, I have much older Husky equipment that has been running on the same fuel for many more years.

So, I'll take these suggestions and come back with my findings. Thanks guys.
 
  #6  
Old 05-27-2014, 08:25 PM
slimbo13's Avatar
slimbo13
slimbo13 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: greater cleveland
Posts: 11,055
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
if its gravity feed fuel tank just pull line off carb 2 check,,,daphram carb buy the rebuild kit if your going to open the carb,,,some older carbs have idle adjustment screw and full throttle adjustment,,,,some newer carbs no adjustment ,,,doesnt cost anything to turn screw
 
  #7  
Old 05-28-2014, 04:48 AM
ArdWrknTrk's Avatar
ArdWrknTrk
ArdWrknTrk is offline
pedant

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: EXTREME southwest CT
Posts: 23,576
Received 15 Likes on 15 Posts
Herman,
If it is something like your hedge trimmer that doesn't get used all day every day I would suggest using non ethanol premix like Husqvarna 50:1, Stihl MotoMix, Truefuel or VP Small Engine Fuel.

This stuff will last at least two years without gumming up, is high octane with low aromatics (smells a lot like toluene or benzene) blended with high quality synthetic oil.
You can get quarts for around $7 at the big box store or any power equipment dealer.

Yes, it is expensive compared to a gallon of gas and a splash of cheap outboard oil, but it is a lot less than buying new garden tools every year.
How much will you really use in your hedge clipper?

At the very least, I run this in all my power equipment at end of season, or my chainsaws at the end of a job.
I never have a problem getting the weed wacker started 5 months later.

As was said above, it is best to not to run a two stroke entirely out of gas.
 
  #8  
Old 05-28-2014, 07:21 AM
mecdac's Avatar
mecdac
mecdac is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: In the field...
Posts: 9,251
Received 129 Likes on 97 Posts
Bad fuel is the cause. Buy a new one, $99 on Amazon. Hate to say it but they are another throwaway item in our throwaway society.
 
  #9  
Old 05-28-2014, 07:55 AM
clux's Avatar
clux
clux is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Carhenge
Posts: 10,600
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by FTE Herman
Ah, lean burn; great theory, but I think not as is starts and idles very easy. I never run it hard; just barely above idle.
If you run it that low all the time, you should also check your spark arrester to make sure it isn't carboned up and plugged.
 
  #10  
Old 05-28-2014, 08:11 AM
slimbo13's Avatar
slimbo13
slimbo13 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: greater cleveland
Posts: 11,055
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
  #11  
Old 05-28-2014, 08:15 AM
slimbo13's Avatar
slimbo13
slimbo13 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: greater cleveland
Posts: 11,055
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
  #12  
Old 05-28-2014, 09:57 AM
Old93junk's Avatar
Old93junk
Old93junk is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: McKenzie River
Posts: 23,849
Likes: 0
Received 19 Likes on 19 Posts
Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
Herman,
If it is something like your hedge trimmer that doesn't get used all day every day I would suggest using non ethanol premix like Husqvarna 50:1, Stihl MotoMix, Truefuel or VP Small Engine Fuel.

This stuff will last at least two years without gumming up, is high octane with low aromatics (smells a lot like toluene or benzene) blended with high quality synthetic oil.
You can get quarts for around $7 at the big box store or any power equipment dealer.

Yes, it is expensive compared to a gallon of gas and a splash of cheap outboard oil, but it is a lot less than buying new garden tools every year.
How much will you really use in your hedge clipper?

At the very least, I run this in all my power equipment at end of season, or my chainsaws at the end of a job.
I never have a problem getting the weed wacker started 5 months later.

As was said above, it is best to not to run a two stroke entirely out of gas.
Outboard 2-strokes are the exception to this rule, water-cooled and running much cooler than little air-cooled 2-strokes the TCW-3 marine oil has much better residual properties in this instance and it is perfectly safe to run the fuel bowls dry on a outboard at idle speed while waiting to trailer the boat out of the lake........Which allows you to run the crappy ethanol gas without worry.........If it's not sitting in the carb between uses, it's not screwing things up.
 
  #13  
Old 05-28-2014, 10:02 AM
slimbo13's Avatar
slimbo13
slimbo13 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: greater cleveland
Posts: 11,055
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
i was on wrong page sorry folks
 
  #14  
Old 05-28-2014, 10:43 AM
ArdWrknTrk's Avatar
ArdWrknTrk
ArdWrknTrk is offline
pedant

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: EXTREME southwest CT
Posts: 23,576
Received 15 Likes on 15 Posts
I guess I should have qualified my statment.
I thought this thread was about air cooled garden tools.

Watercooling does SO much to stabilize engine temperatures.
Going from an RD 400 to an RZ 350 was a revelation to me, back in the day...

I always thought everyone knows 2-strokes run their best right before they seize.
 
  #15  
Old 05-28-2014, 10:52 AM
clux's Avatar
clux
clux is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Carhenge
Posts: 10,600
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
I just spend the extra 70 or 80 cents a gallon for 91 octane no ethanol gas for all my small engines, from the boat to the weed wacker.
 


Quick Reply: Two cycle question



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:00 PM.