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Don't use iron/steel banding.
It will leave black chemical stains that are impossible to remove due to the tannic acid in the oak .
Plastic banding is okay.
The planks should be stickered. (small pieces of wood crosswise in the stack to allow air to reach all sides of the planks)
The stickers should be aligned with each other so the weight of the wet wood won't cause the boards beneath to bow.
Maybe within a foot from each end and every couple of feet in the middle for those 1 1/2" planks 8' long.
Paint common yellow glue -like Titebond- on the ends of the rough planks to slow evaporation and hopefully prevent checking (cracks originating at the ends of the boards)
Band the stack in a few places at the stickers to restrain wood movement while it drys, if you choose.
The guys at your sawmill should know all this...
Drying Wood at Home | The Wood Database
It will leave black chemical stains that are impossible to remove due to the tannic acid in the oak .
Plastic banding is okay.
The planks should be stickered. (small pieces of wood crosswise in the stack to allow air to reach all sides of the planks)
The stickers should be aligned with each other so the weight of the wet wood won't cause the boards beneath to bow.
Maybe within a foot from each end and every couple of feet in the middle for those 1 1/2" planks 8' long.
Paint common yellow glue -like Titebond- on the ends of the rough planks to slow evaporation and hopefully prevent checking (cracks originating at the ends of the boards)
Band the stack in a few places at the stickers to restrain wood movement while it drys, if you choose.
The guys at your sawmill should know all this...
Drying Wood at Home | The Wood Database
Maybe one point that wasn't clear is that if the wood comes banded, it needs to be unbanded and stacked and stickered as Jim described so that it can properly air dry. If you just stick a banded bundle of green wood into a warm area, the outer boards will probably warp hideously at the ends, and the center boards will not dry at all, except at the ends, where they'll probably start checking (cracking).
Jason
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yea, they band with plastic strapping. i don't remember if they put the sticks between the planks though. i doubt it because most decking wood is used rite away.
so if i was to seal the ends and build a cabinet in the back yard out of plywood say 4X4X10 with a fan on one end and a vent on the other and let it sit banded in the sun over the summer, it would help it reach the proper moisture level for this area?
so if i was to seal the ends and build a cabinet in the back yard out of plywood say 4X4X10 with a fan on one end and a vent on the other and let it sit banded in the sun over the summer, it would help it reach the proper moisture level for this area?
If you are not going to kiln dry and this is for a truck (not some climate controlled environment) you only have to reach EMC.
It is important not to force the drying unless you have REAL control like a kiln would.
Most people will crib and sticker the wood -weighted down- in an open drying shed or even just under a piece of corrugated metal.
Once the wood has given up much of its moisture you can then move the stickered pile indoors to a warmer location like the loft of your friends equipment shed so it might finish drying.
Like any function of osmosis, the wood will give up water much faster when it is completely saturated.
It is getting it to that final EMC that takes a long time without elevated temperatures.
And this is where a lot of the shrinkage occurs. (once the cells are devoid of free water and the cell walls start to collapse as they dry out)
Besides... with all the cost and time of building a structure and running a fan for ventilation, I could go to my local specialty wood supplier and get the kiln dried white oak I need tomorrow, and have the deck on the truck in a couple of days.
M.L. Condon Company Inc.
IMPE, most 'free' wood is not worth the cost of having to deal with drying and loss.
Exceptional planks of flame walnut, birdseye maple or curly cherry are the exceptions.
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ok. this is not free wood either, it is going to cost $225 for the 15 planks.
so since it is going to be in the elements, i guess i should just put it on the truck and then if it does shrink, add a board in a year or so.
i am putting it on like we do trailer decks. carriage bolt through the wood, and a large washer between the nut and the channel of the cross member beam. this way if it moves it will slide along the beam and not crack the wood.
so since it is going to be in the elements, i guess i should just put it on the truck and then if it does shrink, add a board in a year or so.
i am putting it on like we do trailer decks. carriage bolt through the wood, and a large washer between the nut and the channel of the cross member beam. this way if it moves it will slide along the beam and not crack the wood.
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75"x96"x1.5"/144=75 board feet.
That's $3 a board foot for rough green lumber!
My cost for KD S2S 6/4 white oak is ~$4.35bf.
I didn't mean to say you weren't paying for it.
Just that it costs me more to deal with wet wood than buy it dried.
If you choose to put the deck on right now buy an extra plank and let it be drying while the others do, because it is sure to shrink.
No point in doing it all over again in another year or so.
Be sure to seal the ends.
That's $3 a board foot for rough green lumber!
My cost for KD S2S 6/4 white oak is ~$4.35bf.
I didn't mean to say you weren't paying for it.
Just that it costs me more to deal with wet wood than buy it dried.
If you choose to put the deck on right now buy an extra plank and let it be drying while the others do, because it is sure to shrink.
No point in doing it all over again in another year or so.
Be sure to seal the ends.
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ok. this is not free wood either, it is going to cost $225 for the 15 planks.
so since it is going to be in the elements, i guess i should just put it on the truck and then if it does shrink, add a board in a year or so.
i am putting it on like we do trailer decks. carriage bolt through the wood, and a large washer between the nut and the channel of the cross member beam. this way if it moves it will slide along the beam and not crack the wood.
so since it is going to be in the elements, i guess i should just put it on the truck and then if it does shrink, add a board in a year or so.
i am putting it on like we do trailer decks. carriage bolt through the wood, and a large washer between the nut and the channel of the cross member beam. this way if it moves it will slide along the beam and not crack the wood.
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yup, that will be the plan. i am going to call tuesday am and add i more plank to the order.
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Best of luck to you.
I'm sure it will turn out fine!
I hope you understand why the extra $100 cost does not justify my stacking and providing shelter for a year or more and then moving the whole pile inside taking up space again for a few more months, and then jointing and planing it to dimension when I could just pick it up ready to go.
I'm sure it will turn out fine!
I hope you understand why the extra $100 cost does not justify my stacking and providing shelter for a year or more and then moving the whole pile inside taking up space again for a few more months, and then jointing and planing it to dimension when I could just pick it up ready to go.
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I liked the table , don't forget about swelling when wet, when I lay out a deck I keep it 1/16 to 1/8 now this is dry wood, wet at this demention will leave larger gaps. so a penny gap would be fine , just treat the whole board real good with non oil penetrate I say this because it will burn or darken the grain, don't use pressure treated material as it will twist and split and try to find old growth lumber tight grain holds up better
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Best of luck to you.
I'm sure it will turn out fine!
I hope you understand why the extra $100 cost does not justify my stacking and providing shelter for a year or more and then moving the whole pile inside taking up space again for a few more months, and then jointing and planing it to dimension when I could just pick it up ready to go.
I'm sure it will turn out fine!
I hope you understand why the extra $100 cost does not justify my stacking and providing shelter for a year or more and then moving the whole pile inside taking up space again for a few more months, and then jointing and planing it to dimension when I could just pick it up ready to go.
my options are to buy from them, order out of state online, or buy from a custom millwork supplier to cabinet shop/ furnature makers.
I liked the table , don't forget about swelling when wet, when I lay out a deck I keep it 1/16 to 1/8 now this is dry wood, wet at this demention will leave larger gaps. so a penny gap would be fine , just treat the whole board real good with non oil penetrate I say this because it will burn or darken the grain, don't use pressure treated material as it will twist and split and try to find old growth lumber tight grain holds up better
but this has to be wood on wood with no gap.
i actually wanted to do tongue and groove but they do not do that. i would have to go to the millwork supplier for that, and it is close to $8 per board foot, or over 3 times the price for mill cut wood. .
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