Ok I see your point!

I guess my point was just this: The Dodge guy wanted to compare Ford's V10 with Dodge's Viper/SRT10 V10 engine. To me that's not really a level comparison because Dodge designed that motor as a performance/racing engine for use in dedicated sports vehicles like the Viper and soon the SRT10 Ram 1500 sport truck.

On the other hand, Ford uses their 6.8L V10 as a regular-duty work engine for use in heavy-duty pickups. It's job isn't t go fast (although it can), it's for towing, hauling and day to day dependability with minimal maintenance. That's all I was trying to say.

 

I agree, as well. That truck will be designed to compete against the LIGHTNING. Being overall performance minded anything is possible.

Any truck that breaks 5 secs 0-60 will have to put out some juice. Remember TYPHOONs and SYCLONEs?? I won't hold my breath till I see some hard facts.

 

People within Ford know the potential the modular V-10 for high performance....I believe it is a 6-bolt block like a better DSM engine. I'd love to see a 427 version of it put in the new Mustang platform...time will tell though...the SRT-10 from Dodge is gonna be a beast but I don't think Ford is going to sit down and let go of it's Performance Truck crown.

 

I went head to head with a 2500 4x4 saturday with the hemi badge on his fender. He got a slight jump on me because I didn't know we were racing. I stomped it to the floor jumped ahead of him slammed the gears all the way through to 5th and he was at my rear fender through every gear until fifth, then he was behind me and I was gaining. We had to back off @ 90mph because of upcoming traffic. I'm guessing he is not real impressed with his hemi, I know I wasn't.

 

Run a V-10 against the SRT-10 ? What are you smokin ? A better race would be the Lightning V-8 against the SRT-10, they're both in the same genre. And if you were aware, the Dodge advertises it's semi-hemi against the rest of the pick-ups, ALL the rest of the pick-ups. For an 'avid car and truck enthusiast' you sound suspiciously like an 'avid Dodge enthusiast', which is fine if that's your bailiwick. But if you hadn't noticed this is a V-10 FAN site, you know, a place where FANS of the V-10 can go to talk shop, shoot the breeze,,,,, etc, etc, etc.

 

If Ford builds the new Lightning according to numbers I've seen it will be 500 hp and 500 lb. ft. The same numbers as the SRT-10. It will then be us Ford fans that are more than willing to compare the little V-8 to Dodges V-10 unlike the Dodge guy who is unwilling to admit that his V-8 could possibly be inferior.

btw: is he Ford curious? I wouldn't even consider going to a dodge site because I just don't care....

 

"a 6-bolt block"

I know the DOHC motors are 4 bolt cross bolt but I think the V10 is like the regular 5.4, 2 bolt cross bolt. Not 100% sure about this though.

Hemi? Intake valve on the side near the intake manifold, exhaust valve on the side near the exhaust manifold spark plug in the center and a dome shaped combustion chamber. Now why does that sound exactly like a V10? Could it be Dodge is only blowing smoke and selling a word?
Last I heard 90% of the motors on the road today have hemispherical combustion chambers.

 

The current 5.7 Hemi is very close in design to the 426 Hemi. It has a true hemispherical cumbustion chamber, and it even has the funky push rod angles like the original. I'd have to say Dodge is 100% correct in calling their new motor a Hemi.

The OHC motors are not true Hemis. They sometimes have similar port configurations and spark plug locations, but their chambers are seldom Hemispherical. Such is the case with the Ford Mod motors. In fact, on the Ford motors, the valves are side by side in a standard arrangement, not on their respective port sides like you stated. Compare a 5.7 Hemi head to a Ford mod head, and you will see they are nothing alike at all really.

 

Both 4.6 and 5.4 blocks are 4-bolt, cross bolted blocks....I am 100% sure on that at least. I found this in the archives of this forum.....

"one more point I would like to make upon teardown of our V10 we noted that the bottom end of the engine is almost bullet proof steel crank ,6 bolt mains and good oiling system...."

Here is the URL
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/a...pic/64092.html

 

Otay! I know the first units (Crown Vic) were not 4 bolt cross bolt, also my 94 Mustang GT was not a 4 bolt cross bolt, done sent dat on me sef. Maybe the Triton is different after all?

 

Crown Vics could have been differnt. 94 Mustang GT's were 302 pushrod mills...so yeah it would have been a 2 bolt block. 96 was the first year for the modular 4.6 in GT's and it was a 4 bolt....just had really crappy heads among other things.....

 

I know the Ford mod motor isn't like the 5.7 hemi, but from what I understand, the new 5.7 semi hemi isn't like the hemi of old either. And actually, hemi is more of a marketing term is it not ? Since true hemi spherical would be a completely half round chamber ? The hemi used by the automotive people referred to a nearly half round combustion chamber with a sparkplug right in the middle of it, true ? I read quite a bit on the new hemi, and it's differences to the original hemi of Chryslers past and there are marked differences. Albeit the differences had alot to do with modern technology and the things we know now that we didn't then but my guess is Dodge revived the hemi much like Chebbie revived the Monte Carlo SS, which technically speaking IS an SS. But in the minds and hearts of all us true-blue car nuts it's a travesty to call that 'thing' an SS. The SS Camaro sure, but not that wimpy, front drive crap box of a car the Impala/Monte Carlo.

 

The original 426 Hemi had true 1/2 round combustion chambers. The current 5.7 Hemi chambers are very close to a 1/2 circle, and they really are completely round. The only reason they arent is that the angles of the valves are a bit different than that of the 426. Also, the new 5.7 has a dual plug set up, and the 2 plugs are right in the center of the chambers. The combustion chambers are not a twisted wedge like many OHC motors. If you saw the 5.7 head next to a 426 head, you would agree that the 5.7 is a true hemi and deserving of the title.

I agree that Dodge is using the Hemi name to its full marketing advantage, but it is not like they just slaped the Hemi badge on any old motor. The 5.7 is a real well designed motor, and it is a true Hemispherical design.

 

Wink Wink.....=)
proof to that fact...........400 ft/lbs of torque at 2000 rpms is a real tire smoker.....=)

 

2000BLK54 *** LOL yeah my 96 GT! Took for ever to get performance parts back then. I bought the first set of SVO headers thinking hey easy swap. Yeah you had to get the car at least 3 feet of the ground. Had heads and cams and a boat load of crap to still be slow!
Times have changed!