From a V8 to V6 What the....?
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From a V8 to V6 What the....?
I'm planning on buying a 2004 e150 tomorrow, but it apparently has a V6.
Seeking its value on Kelley's BB doesn't show a V6 available for it that year, and on this chart checking out its VIN (8th position) shows a "W" which would suggest it should have a 4.6-Liter 8-Cylinder.
Apparently it got a V6 some years back, but I assumed it was merely a rebuilt engine. Are these designed to easily swap out V8's for V6's, or would this mean a considerable amount of jury rigging was involved?
Seeking its value on Kelley's BB doesn't show a V6 available for it that year, and on this chart checking out its VIN (8th position) shows a "W" which would suggest it should have a 4.6-Liter 8-Cylinder.
Apparently it got a V6 some years back, but I assumed it was merely a rebuilt engine. Are these designed to easily swap out V8's for V6's, or would this mean a considerable amount of jury rigging was involved?
Last edited by van_a_knockin; 04-08-2014 at 01:36 AM. Reason: Accuracy
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I checked it out yesterday.
My most recent van is an 86 with a FE 302, so the engine compartment in this was jam packed by comparisen, and I basically checked the oil and for any apparent leaks. Little smoke upon ignition which then subsided. Ran strong and smooth on test drive, handled excellent, and smooth shut off.
Overall appeared in great condition, other than the initial smoke.
I suspected it hadn't been started in a couple days (closed for the weekend) as its a company van, and will check it again first thing tomorrow. I'll be there when they open.
Again, at the time I assumed it was a rebuild. Was told he would provide reciepts.
My most recent van is an 86 with a FE 302, so the engine compartment in this was jam packed by comparisen, and I basically checked the oil and for any apparent leaks. Little smoke upon ignition which then subsided. Ran strong and smooth on test drive, handled excellent, and smooth shut off.
Overall appeared in great condition, other than the initial smoke.
I suspected it hadn't been started in a couple days (closed for the weekend) as its a company van, and will check it again first thing tomorrow. I'll be there when they open.
Again, at the time I assumed it was a rebuild. Was told he would provide reciepts.
#4
Without offense you know for sure this is a V6?
Its almost hard to believe someone did such a swap but anything is possible so its not impossible!
If its been swapped I'd avoid it because its most likely nothing but a nightmare waiting to die in your driveway. I don't know when of if a V6 was ever offered in any Ford van but from '97 forward they've all been V8's of the Modular Motor type.
Its almost hard to believe someone did such a swap but anything is possible so its not impossible!
If its been swapped I'd avoid it because its most likely nothing but a nightmare waiting to die in your driveway. I don't know when of if a V6 was ever offered in any Ford van but from '97 forward they've all been V8's of the Modular Motor type.
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No offense taken, in fact I was wondering the same thing myself ( if the guy listing and selling it for the company is mistaken its a V6). He does however seem knowledgable about its history. Was installed at 86,000 miles. Odometer currently lists 129,000 miles
I've seen 2001's listed with V6's and had a 2003 apparently with a V6 sell out from under me, so it didn't seem unusual at the time to believe this was a V6 as well. I'm not even absolutely sure Ford didn't offer or sell them in 2004.
I believe the seller is responsible for smogging it. If he successfully does this, I'm thinking it may be acceptable, but I doubt I'll move on this for anything less.
I've seen 2001's listed with V6's and had a 2003 apparently with a V6 sell out from under me, so it didn't seem unusual at the time to believe this was a V6 as well. I'm not even absolutely sure Ford didn't offer or sell them in 2004.
I believe the seller is responsible for smogging it. If he successfully does this, I'm thinking it may be acceptable, but I doubt I'll move on this for anything less.
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Seller was mistaken. 4.6 Ltr.V8.
Upon learning this I was relieved, however its Non Op registration expired in Feb, and seller had not yet smogged it.
Went ahead and bought it based on the condition it would pass smog, but it unfortunately failed the computer test.
Returned it for the cash, and disheartened though not deterred, my search continues.
Upon learning this I was relieved, however its Non Op registration expired in Feb, and seller had not yet smogged it.
Went ahead and bought it based on the condition it would pass smog, but it unfortunately failed the computer test.
Returned it for the cash, and disheartened though not deterred, my search continues.
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Living in Ohio I'm not familiar with the smog testing procedure in some states but could the issues leading to its failing your local tests be reasonably repaired?
As for the engine---I assumed it was the 4.6 V8 but didn't want to say never was there a V6 in a post '97 E-Series, the old "never say never......" bit and all!
As for the engine---I assumed it was the 4.6 V8 but didn't want to say never was there a V6 in a post '97 E-Series, the old "never say never......" bit and all!
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Living in Ohio I'm not familiar with the smog testing procedure in some states but could the issues leading to its failing your local tests be reasonably repaired?
As for the engine---I assumed it was the 4.6 V8 but didn't want to say never was there a V6 in a post '97 E-Series, the old "never say never......" bit and all!
As for the engine---I assumed it was the 4.6 V8 but didn't want to say never was there a V6 in a post '97 E-Series, the old "never say never......" bit and all!
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The 4.2 was the base engine in E150's and E250's from 1997 to 2005--after the good old 300 inch straight six went away. (Also the base engine in 1997 to 2008 F150's.) Ford had the wisdom to kill the 4.2 and go to the 4.6 as the base engine in 2006.
My son drove an '02ish E150 with 4.2 at his bike shop job back when he was in high school and college, and loaded with exercise machines, it was a dog. He drove our 4.6 van a bunch so he could tell the difference a LOT. The 4.2 got worse mileage than the 4.6 but was bought by fleet buyers and people who looked simply at the purchase price...not a good van engine. And there were head gasket and intake manifold gasket problems with that engine at least during some years. Not enough head bolts.
George
My son drove an '02ish E150 with 4.2 at his bike shop job back when he was in high school and college, and loaded with exercise machines, it was a dog. He drove our 4.6 van a bunch so he could tell the difference a LOT. The 4.2 got worse mileage than the 4.6 but was bought by fleet buyers and people who looked simply at the purchase price...not a good van engine. And there were head gasket and intake manifold gasket problems with that engine at least during some years. Not enough head bolts.
George
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Living in Ohio I'm not familiar with the smog testing procedure in some states but could the issues leading to its failing your local tests be reasonably repaired?
As for the engine---I assumed it was the 4.6 V8 but didn't want to say never was there a V6 in a post '97 E-Series, the old "never say never......" bit and all!
As for the engine---I assumed it was the 4.6 V8 but didn't want to say never was there a V6 in a post '97 E-Series, the old "never say never......" bit and all!
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The 4.2 was the base engine in E150's and E250's from 1997 to 2005--after the good old 300 inch straight six went away. (Also the base engine in 1997 to 2008 F150's.) Ford had the wisdom to kill the 4.2 and go to the 4.6 as the base engine in 2006.
My son drove an '02ish E150 with 4.2 at his bike shop job back when he was in high school and college, and loaded with exercise machines, it was a dog. He drove our 4.6 van a bunch so he could tell the difference a LOT. The 4.2 got worse mileage than the 4.6 but was bought by fleet buyers and people who looked simply at the purchase price...not a good van engine. And there were head gasket and intake manifold gasket problems with that engine at least during some years. Not enough head bolts.
George
My son drove an '02ish E150 with 4.2 at his bike shop job back when he was in high school and college, and loaded with exercise machines, it was a dog. He drove our 4.6 van a bunch so he could tell the difference a LOT. The 4.2 got worse mileage than the 4.6 but was bought by fleet buyers and people who looked simply at the purchase price...not a good van engine. And there were head gasket and intake manifold gasket problems with that engine at least during some years. Not enough head bolts.
George
I became less of a skeptic, when I test drove THIS 1/4 ton e150, excelerating up and over some impressive inclines, while under the foolish impression IT was a V6.
So while its only one opinion, I appreciate the heads up! The last thing I want to do, is to find myself luggin around the streets of LA, chronically tailgaited, for no reason other than sitting behind the wheel, of a smog free, air conditioned, overtaxed gutless wonder.
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I've had 4 vans myself since 1986 and a Ford F100 pickup before them back to 1978, so I've had a truck in my yard for 36 years.
The 4.6 in the E150 is the most economical drivetrain possible for a full sized van IF you don't load it heavily. Performance is reasonable but I really loved the way the 350 in my 1996 Savana ran, and the mileage was not *that* much worse than the 4.6. Too bad the van was a complete POS and I sold it at 66k after my 60k extended warranty ran out. (My stepdad was a GM retiree so I used to get Option 1/2 employee deals on GM products.)
The old 300 inch six in my '78 F100 was ordered brand new by me with a 4 speed manual OD transmission...I had a 60 mile daily commute and it was quite decent on gas mileage as well--but that was a 3600 lb shortbed pickup with a 1 barrel carb.
The 4.2 has nothing to do with economy or less smog. It was a low price point engine that was simply not enough for a big van. I actually drove a 4.2 when I was buying my van because the salesman messed up and had the porter pull out a V6 van for my initial test drive. (It was February and snowing so I didn't look under hoods--wondered why it seemed to struggle with the weight of the van and then noted the new car sticker....oops.) EPA and real world gas mileage is worse for the 4.2 vans than the 4.6 vans.
If you are going to carry heavy loads especially in a hilly region, or tow anything, the 5.4 would work better--probably would feel a lot like the old 350 in my Savana. The 4.6 is great and I'd suggest the OEM Michelin LTX M/S tires as part of the gas mileage equation. I've average over 16 mpg for all 118k miles on my van, including some trips but also including some Michigan winter city driving.
Good luck,
George
The 4.6 in the E150 is the most economical drivetrain possible for a full sized van IF you don't load it heavily. Performance is reasonable but I really loved the way the 350 in my 1996 Savana ran, and the mileage was not *that* much worse than the 4.6. Too bad the van was a complete POS and I sold it at 66k after my 60k extended warranty ran out. (My stepdad was a GM retiree so I used to get Option 1/2 employee deals on GM products.)
The old 300 inch six in my '78 F100 was ordered brand new by me with a 4 speed manual OD transmission...I had a 60 mile daily commute and it was quite decent on gas mileage as well--but that was a 3600 lb shortbed pickup with a 1 barrel carb.
The 4.2 has nothing to do with economy or less smog. It was a low price point engine that was simply not enough for a big van. I actually drove a 4.2 when I was buying my van because the salesman messed up and had the porter pull out a V6 van for my initial test drive. (It was February and snowing so I didn't look under hoods--wondered why it seemed to struggle with the weight of the van and then noted the new car sticker....oops.) EPA and real world gas mileage is worse for the 4.2 vans than the 4.6 vans.
If you are going to carry heavy loads especially in a hilly region, or tow anything, the 5.4 would work better--probably would feel a lot like the old 350 in my Savana. The 4.6 is great and I'd suggest the OEM Michelin LTX M/S tires as part of the gas mileage equation. I've average over 16 mpg for all 118k miles on my van, including some trips but also including some Michigan winter city driving.
Good luck,
George
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I've had 4 vans myself since 1986 and a Ford F100 pickup before them back to 1978, so I've had a truck in my yard for 36 years.
The 4.6 in the E150 is the most economical drivetrain possible for a full sized van IF you don't load it heavily. Performance is reasonable but I really loved the way the 350 in my 1996 Savana ran, and the mileage was not *that* much worse than the 4.6. Too bad the van was a complete POS and I sold it at 66k after my 60k extended warranty ran out. (My stepdad was a GM retiree so I used to get Option 1/2 employee deals on GM products.)
The old 300 inch six in my '78 F100 was ordered brand new by me with a 4 speed manual OD transmission...I had a 60 mile daily commute and it was quite decent on gas mileage as well--but that was a 3600 lb shortbed pickup with a 1 barrel carb.
The 4.2 has nothing to do with economy or less smog. It was a low price point engine that was simply not enough for a big van. I actually drove a 4.2 when I was buying my van because the salesman messed up and had the porter pull out a V6 van for my initial test drive. (It was February and snowing so I didn't look under hoods--wondered why it seemed to struggle with the weight of the van and then noted the new car sticker....oops.) EPA and real world gas mileage is worse for the 4.2 vans than the 4.6 vans.
If you are going to carry heavy loads especially in a hilly region, or tow anything, the 5.4 would work better--probably would feel a lot like the old 350 in my Savana. The 4.6 is great and I'd suggest the OEM Michelin LTX M/S tires as part of the gas mileage equation. I've average over 16 mpg for all 118k miles on my van, including some trips but also including some Michigan winter city driving.
Good luck,
George
The 4.6 in the E150 is the most economical drivetrain possible for a full sized van IF you don't load it heavily. Performance is reasonable but I really loved the way the 350 in my 1996 Savana ran, and the mileage was not *that* much worse than the 4.6. Too bad the van was a complete POS and I sold it at 66k after my 60k extended warranty ran out. (My stepdad was a GM retiree so I used to get Option 1/2 employee deals on GM products.)
The old 300 inch six in my '78 F100 was ordered brand new by me with a 4 speed manual OD transmission...I had a 60 mile daily commute and it was quite decent on gas mileage as well--but that was a 3600 lb shortbed pickup with a 1 barrel carb.
The 4.2 has nothing to do with economy or less smog. It was a low price point engine that was simply not enough for a big van. I actually drove a 4.2 when I was buying my van because the salesman messed up and had the porter pull out a V6 van for my initial test drive. (It was February and snowing so I didn't look under hoods--wondered why it seemed to struggle with the weight of the van and then noted the new car sticker....oops.) EPA and real world gas mileage is worse for the 4.2 vans than the 4.6 vans.
If you are going to carry heavy loads especially in a hilly region, or tow anything, the 5.4 would work better--probably would feel a lot like the old 350 in my Savana. The 4.6 is great and I'd suggest the OEM Michelin LTX M/S tires as part of the gas mileage equation. I've average over 16 mpg for all 118k miles on my van, including some trips but also including some Michigan winter city driving.
Good luck,
George
I'm hoping to improve upon the mileage my 5.0 CFI has delivered, and will be looking at a 2007 e150 with a 5.4 tomorrow.
Perhaps I should be limiting my search to the 4.6 models.