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Old 07-23-2014, 03:55 PM
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Properly equipped when talking about maximum towing ratings usually means an HD tow package, a certain rear end gear set, and a weight distributing hitch.
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I am a long term Expedition 2001 AWD owner, with 260K miles, and I tow my 4K boat from North Texas down to the Florida Keys (every other year). The boat is less than half the weight rated for my Expedition (I believe it was 9,800) and my Expedition has trouble (downshifts and I'm without O/D) in the hills of the Florida Panhandle.

Was there a completely different tow rating system back in 2000, compared to the rating system used in today's vehicles?

Was there a different in towing and MPG for the Extended Length version?
Whoa.....Might want to double check your tow ratings for that Expy. My 02 Eddie Bauer AWD was only rated at 6900 lbs with HD tow package (17" wheels )
If you have 16" wheels you may get up to 7400 lbs.
Nowhere near 9800 lbs

The newer 3rd Gen Expys have a 6 spd trans to help with towing along with 40-50 more HP. So the tow ratings is now up to a MAX of 9200lbs when properly equipped. ( 4x2, HD tow Pkg, WD Hitch )

The EL version has a slightly lower tow rating due to the vehicle being a few hundred pounds heavier. But may tow "better" with the extra wheelbase.

What is interesting is Ford's tow rating for the regular length is the same no matter what rear gear ratio is installed. All EL's have the same rear gears 3.73's.




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Thank you for the video and write-up/comparisons.

Questions/comments on the new Expy, compared to an Excursion, F150 ecoboost, and 2015 suburban.

I am a long term Expedition 2001 AWD owner, with 260K miles, and I tow my 4K boat from North Texas down to the Florida Keys (every other year). The boat is less than half the weight rated for my Expedition (I believe it was 9,800) and my Expedition has trouble (downshifts and I'm without O/D) in the hills of the Florida Panhandle.

Was there a completely different tow rating system back in 2000, compared to the rating system used in today's vehicles? I have taken my boat to a dealership, and hooked it up to a F150 Ecoboost truck, and that truck nearly "Yanked" the axles off the trailer when towing (on the highway and up steep tollway to tollway ramps). I wish I concentrated more on the MPG.

Was there a different in towing and MPG for the Extended Length version?

I missed out on purchasing a Excursion (and now they are over 10 years old), and while I want an Excursion, not sure that is a great idea on something that old being used as my primary tow vehicle. However, the tow capacity of the Excursion was only 11K pounds (the new Ecoboost F150 "properly equipped", is also supposed to be in that range.. I don't quite understand what "properly equipped means".

I hope that the new Expy can tow as good at that F150.

I didn't haul the boat this year, but I managed to haul the family, and lot of gear (with a trailer hitch cargo carrier) from North Texas down to Islamorada Island, Florida, in a rented 2015 Suburban from Enterprise. We put over 4,000 miles during the past couple of weeks (parked 3 days in Disney 'Pop Century resort' park lot).

Interesting that the video above, mentioned that the new Expy has Electronic assisted steering (not to be confused w/ power steering), as I experienced this in the 2015 suburban. This rental had the lane approach "butt cheek" vibrator (so if you didn't have your turn signal on, and you came too close to the edge of your lane, it would vibrate a butt check on that same side) so with the electric steering assist, I was getting a lot of "glute massage" as that steering was too responsive (don't have the same issue with normal power steering).


While I found that GM SUV had lots of power, almost enough room for my family's needs, and way too many electronic toys (those are going to break before 10 years, and going to be expensive to repair, if they can be repaired -I drive my vehicles for a very long times). I wouldn't mind renting another Suburban, but wouldn't want to purchase one. Even though it had lots of nice electronics, you could still hear it rattle, and it feels like those panels were cheap plastic (the rear, driver's side corner would shift a little). If GM would consider putting those keypad locks, like my Expedition, and not expect us to rely on expensive "On-Star" to unlock the doors, I may give them more consideration.
Since you have a family, I would go with the Expedition EL versus the Excursion simply because it is a much, much safer vehicle. It has rollover airbags in all three rows, head rests in all three rows, and stability and traction control. This is coming from an Excursion and '08 Navigator owner. The newer SUVs are simply much safer vehicles.
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I see Edmunds has all models, options and pricing now. Appears the only way to get the 2-tone is with the King Ranch now, bummer. Interesting, the loaded KR is virtually the same price as the new loaded Platinum. Tough choice, but I would go with the KR only because I prefer the 2-tone.
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When are they suppose to go for sale? I saw 2 semi trucks carrying 2015 models in boone, Kentucky.
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Yep, and notice the +15hp and +40ft/lbs over the 2015 F150/Expedition WTF....
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Yep, and notice the +15hp and +40ft/lbs over the 2015 F150/Expedition WTF....
Interesting. Maybe this is a hint at an uuntold150 upgrade too.
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IDK, I'm waiting on a 2015 Platinum Expedition, I'm going to be pissed if a +15/+40 mid year upgrade is available. I have to believe it's all tune, does the Navigator have any different hard parts? Ford should offer the upgrade tune for sale. Hell, I'd pay ~$300 for it.
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IDK, I'm waiting on a 2015 Platinum Expedition, I'm going to be pissed if a +15/+40 mid year upgrade is available. I have to believe it's all tune, does the Navigator have any different hard parts? Ford should offer the upgrade tune for sale. Hell, I'd pay ~$300 for it.
just give the tuners some time they'll be able to squeeze more power out of these engines in no time
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