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Old 03-05-2013, 05:59 PM
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Update on oil sample

This is the report on my first sample ==
GORDON: Iron and aluminum were high in this sample when compared to universal averages, which show typical wear after about 5,100 miles on the oil. After just 1,808 miles, iron (steel parts) and aluminum (pistons) should be lower than average. Maybe some towing or hard use by the previous owner may explain it, and we'll look for it to improve in the next sample. The viscosity was fine here for 15W/40 and no harmful contamination was found. For now, we suggest sampling at each oil change until we know more about wear. Check back in 3,000 miles.

I bought the truck from local ford house and they changed all fluids when they took it in on trade ,
Should I be concerned or just let it ride until the next sample report in 3000 miles?
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Well to start with, the majority of the "labs" are not certified by any state agency (required by most) nor subject to any ISO 3rd party verification- only self certification if at all. there are numerous postings going back 10+ years regarding the quality of these analysis......in general, it isn't good or to be believed in most cases. There are two things required for a test to be scientific- 1) does the test, test what it is suppose to & 2) if the test is repeated, does it come to the same conclusion.......if the answer is yes, then the test & processes are "scientifically valid"...meaning, it could even be brought into a court of law and submitted as "Evidence" (suject to scrutiny of course). Here's the real world, in one of the more popular threads posted, a gent sent multiple samples from the same oil, drawn at the same time, under different names. While there is always a possibility of minor variation (even caused by lab equipment re-calibration).....the results amoungst the 4 samples were not even comparative.....as if each were from a different engine.
The concept is good & sound, the actual processes by most of the more "popular-labs" is a joke......nothing more than "snake oil on a paper" due to equipment maintenance, personnel training and general process controls.

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I would suggest a resample at the next oil change and see what that looks like. Their statement is spot on. I tow heavy and sometimes my readings show it too.

Since I tow all the time...you can see what my averages are. I am usually loaded over 10K.
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That's why I'm Concerned , the ford house changed the oil and the truck sat on the lot , then I bought it and put just over 1800 miles on it never towing anything , I had oil changed just Because I wanted to & sent sample in and it comes back hi Iron and high aluminum with just 1800 miles
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I suggest another oil change at 3K miles...and another sample.

Don't run the motor before changing so that all the old oil comes out.
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Don't run the motor before changing so that all the old oil comes out.
Where'd you get that one from Scott? That goes against everything I've always read and heard, everything suggests that you want the oil fully up to temperature so that it flows better.
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Where'd you get that one from Scott? That goes against everything I've always read and heard, everything suggests that you want the oil fully up to temperature so that it flows better.
Yeah I agree, but my thought are that this motor holds oil up in all the components for a long time.

So my thoughts were to get all that old oil out..as much as possible.
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My second sample came back a lot better and put my mind at ease
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GORDON: This is a nice second report from Truck #1. Aluminum and iron were both a little high last time,
but both of those metals improved this time even though you ran the oil longer, which is always a nice thing
to see. We're not sure what accounts for the improvements or even the high readings last time, but with this
engine's wear heading in the right direction, we aren't going to worry too much about it. The trace of fuel that
turned up is harmless, and no water or coolant was found. Silicon and insolubles both read low showing
effective air and oil filtration. Nice!
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good report!
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Ok so I did a 5 k Cycle on my oil And was excited to send a sample to see If it continued to improve , so to call ford house and set up oil change and stress to them the Importance to me of this oil sample And that I would have to drop my truck off Wednesday morning before they open and that I would leave sample bottle lying on front seat. So Wednesday morning comes I drop truck off & leave sample bottle on front seat with a note discussing what I needed done. The service manager even call's me after they open just to verify service I needed done it again I stress the importance of getting this oil sample as it is my first 5000 mile run. Wednesday afternoon I go to pick up my truck and guess what no flipping oil sample !!!!!! As you can imagine I am livid and say a few things I probably should not have said but I believe I got my point across as they offered me my next two oil changes for free if that's any consolation. So now I'm starting over a new run so that I can send a 5k Sample to be tested arrrrgggggg.
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that sucks. im waiting to send in another sample now and it feels like it takes forever to get the miles on. are you towing with the truck now at all? i know you said you hadn't in the first sample. btw did the dealer take the sample for you the first two time?
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No not really , I've towed a boat to the coast a couple times but its light and not a factor , the dealership pulled the first two samples for me but for now on I will pull my own b4 I have the oil changed !!
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Just got my results back from my third sample , this was a 3k run sense the ford house screwed up on my oil change b4 this one .
What do y'all think ? The only towing I did was my 17' boat ,

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GORDON: Compare this sample to the very first one. Aluminum and iron -- the dominant metals in the line
up -- were about the same back in February, but that oil only had about 1,800 miles on it, compared to this
sample's 3,283 miles. On a per-mile basis, this is a better report. If you run your next oil 5,000 miles, you'll
probably have more aluminum and iron than average, but hopefully not so much that it would be worrisome.
If you'd like, go ahead and try 5K miles next time. You can always drop back if wear is higher than you're
comfortable with. Note: the trace of fuel is gone!

MI/HR on Oil
3,283
2,229
1,808
MI/HR on Unit
101,641
UNIT
/
93,141
91,012
Sample Date
10/04/13
LOCATION
AVERAGES
04/03/13
02/09/13
Make Up Oil Added
0 qts
0 qts
0 qts
ALUMINUM
19
17
12
21
CHROMIUM
2
1
1
1
IRON
32
27
16
32
COPPER
1
1
1
1
LEAD
0
1
1
3
TIN
0
0
0
1
MOLYBDENUM
4
4
5
4
NICKEL
1
1
0
1
MANGANESE
1
1
0
1
SILVER
1
0
0
0
TITANIUM
5
3
2
1
POTASSIUM
6
4
0
6
BORON
20
17
25
6
SILICON
3
3
3
3
SODIUM
2
3
4
3
CALCIUM
2471
2515
2635
2438
MAGNESIUM
9
12
14
13
PHOSPHORUS
1074
1071
1055
1085
ZINC
1233
1232
1241
1221
BARIUM
15
11
15
3


Values
Should Be*
SUS Viscosity @ 210°F
74.5
65-75
68.6
73.0
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C
14.13
11.6-14.5
12.59
13.75
Flashpoint in °F
465
>410
410
420
Fuel %
<0.5
<2.0
TR
<0.5
Antifreeze %
0.0
0
0.0
0.0
Water %
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
Insolubles %
0.3
<0.7
0.1
0.3
TBN
TAN
ISO Code


* THIS COLUMN APPLIES ONLY TO THE CURRENT SAMPLE
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I think based upon the wear of your motor I would run 4K oil changes.

Your motor shows more wear than it should.
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Interesting, I too had high Al and FE on my first sample. Mine was a lot worse than yours though at 34ppm AL and 69ppm FE. It was nearly a 7K mile and almost 12 months change though, ironically the oil was fine to go even longer. I did have a few really tough tows towards the end of the oil though that probably didn't help.

How many miles and hours on your engine? I am at 113K and somewhere around 3800 hours. Next sample around 5K miles will be interesting, won't be apples to apples as the previous oil was 5w40 T6 and this time it got Rotella 15w40. Says something about how good synthetic is but you still can't necessarily extend intervals with it so might not be any real advantage to it.

FWIW with my high numbers I've had no issues and I am not worried as of yet. I just did a 400 mile tow round trip yesterday and never even got very warm, barely over 200 EOT and ECT and stayed in the 11's on the LOM, hit 13 right before I loaded and came back. Needles to say it never would have even hit 11 empty with that damn DPF on.
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